Washington Journal-Liebermann victim of anti semitism of the left

[acmejack]

Code words like AIPAC, Israel, etc... These callers are nuts with a capital N

[acmavm]

1. Did you not expect that to be the main arguement as to why dems

want old Joe's ass out of office?

[Warren Stupidity]

2. That's it, we hate him 'cause he's a JEW!

Of course that is why we would like Joe to take early retirement. Damn, how clever of them to figure it out.

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. I must be the only "anti-semite" to support Russ Feingold for president!!

There it is.

[XemaSab]

18. And I'm the only anti-Semite to want Boxer on the same ticket!

[marmar]

4. Desperation...

Lieberman's camp probably organized a WJ call-in bank. He'll try any tactic.
The right has been trying to put the anti-Semitic label on Democrats since 2000, but about three-quarters of Jewish voters voted Dem in both presidential elections. The Repugs must think that people are really stupid. Not every group of voters falls for their mind-fuck games, like their economically-distressed Bible Belt crowd does.

[napi21]

5. I'm surprised there are so many callers irate about treatment of

Jews in the US. I guess I could have lived in a series of bubbles for the last 20 years, but I really haven't seen discrimination against Jews in the US, and I've lived in 4 different States!

Lanny and Katrina sure seems to have exposed a lot of hate in the Country this morning!

[cgrindley]

10. I'm not Jewish but I have seen a lot of anti-semitism

I work in the Bronx and I hear quite a bit of it in passing, probably about four or five times a year, usually something to do with the Jews controling stuff or owning stuff. The people who spout it off usually do so with an utterly casual air, like it's no big deal. And the people they are speaking to generally nod in agreement. It's sad.

Having said that, I think that calling anti-semitism with regard to Lieberman's declining political fortunes is idiocy. Certainly his support of Israel has cost him some friends in Connecticut--but supporting the state of Israel or for that matter being neutral towards it or openly protesting its actions really shouldn't mean anything with regard to Judaism itself (though to 90% of people that's not the case). Likewise, Lieberman's moral conservatism, which I suppose he attributes to his observant Judaism is also a cause of some friction, but to call that anti-semitic is also irrational. Consider this: if I proclaim an anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-contraception, misogynistic platform within the Democrat party and am criticized for it, I can hardly cry anti-Catholicism if I'm criticized for these positions.

I'm of the opinion that Lieberman isn't a Democrat and never has been. I'm not allowed to vote, being a permanent resident, but I have donated money to Lamont's campaign and will be displaying a lawn sign.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. Welcome to DU!

Interesting what you say about the Bronx, because I've heard similar things in the Midwest, and it always bothered me. I went to school with a lot of Jewish kids, and I never found them or their parents to fit the stereotype.

Hope you post often! :hi:

[cgrindley]

17. Thanks

There are a lot of tensions in the Bronx, particularly between people from PR and the DR, between Hispanics and African Americans, and between Jewish people and African Americans. I've seen a number of white racists and so on. I guess the problem comes from the rapid gentrification of the area--many people who were traditional residents (although I only mean traditional since 1970 something) are being displaced. Prices are doubling every six months or so along the more desirable parts of the South Bronx, which are, after all, only a couple of subway stops away from Manhattan.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

19. That's sad

My father in law was born in Manhattan in 1920, and his father ran a dry cleaning business in the Bronx. His wife was Jewish, and the only stories my husband talks about is how his father was against bigotry and discrimination. It's sad that old neighborhoods are destroyed and working people displaced in the name of the almighty dollar.

[cgrindley]

21. Where else

can a person purchase a one bedroom apartment for under 150,000? There are places to live in the South Bronx between 138th and 161st right off Grand Concourse that are for sale for fire sale prices. One of my friends purchased a place on the Concourse for 77k. It doubled in six months. Gentrification is happening, as it has happened everywhere in NYC. No one is making land there anymore. I have no idea where the people who actually work for a living are going to go. Somewhere else I guess.

[newyawker99]

20. Hi cgrindley!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[entanglement]

26. Welcome to DU

[iamjoy]

12. Anti-Semitism Certainly Exists In The US

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's there. And some people are more sensitive to it than others.

However, criticizing a Jew for his (or her) politics is not discrimination.

While some criticism of Israel comes close to anti-Semitism, if a politician cannot clearly articulate his/her reasons for supporting for Israel, than that politician is going to lose supporters, and not because of anti-Semitism.

It's the same old thing with Conswervatives. When we criticized Clarence Thomas, we were racist. To say that racism doesn't exist in America would be foolish, but to say we're racist for despising everything for which Clarence Thomas stands is wrong. However, such is the nature of politics. Sad to say the left uses it sometimes too.

[calico1]

6. Interesting....

Considering a lot of Lamont's supporters are Jews. I suppose they are anti-semitic Jews.:eyes:

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Make that "self-hating Jews". n/t

[acmejack]

7. I liked the code words...

What a bunch of ultra maroons!

[WePurrsevere]

8. Psychological Projection - Freud would have had a blast with these

messed up neo/fundie-cons.

[applegrove]

15. This is one of the wedges the war in Iraq was supposed to have produced.

And since nobody on the left is running around actually "jew-baiting".. instead they are running around slamming Lieberman on his actual actions and decisions... they have to add the narrative themselves.

What a bunch of creeps neocons are. Slicing and dicing. A democracy is not a salad. But seeing as how they have the christians busy with hating gays (rather than fighting for social justice like they used to).. they must want the Israeli hawks running around busy with feeling persecuted. When they are not being.

[WePurrsevere]

16. Neo/fundie-cons can't run on REAL issues, only ignorance, hate & fear. n/t

[skipos]

14. This article claims Jews prefer Lamont 50% to Joe's 41%

"But an internal Democratic poll of Connecticut Jews sees Lamont leading by 50 percent to 41 percent, JTA has learned. The sample was small, but the results were a dramatic departure from the 90-plus approval rating Lieberman scored among Jews after Al Gore named him as his running mate in 2000."

http://www.cjp.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=187442

[General Lee]

22. Lieberman is a victim of his own actions.

He chose to support bush's call for an unjust war in the Middle East. No one forced him to. He is desperate as he sees that his term in office may well be at end and I say GOOD. He did nothing for Connecticut and its people. He and his friends in the media are now using the old 'antisemitism card'. The problem is that many Jews I know can't stand him either!! Can we assume that they are antisemitic too?

[AtomicKitten]

23. That is such a lame accusation. n/t

[Cha]

24. I don't like joe lie-berman

because he's a bush enabler who has to lie by definition.

I don't care if he's Jewish, Mormon, or Agnostic.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Not likely.

His stance on the war has done him in. However, anti-Semitism on the left is a very real thing and it is a shame that people will not see it for what it is, a plague.

[entanglement]

27. It's absurd, but it's S.O.P. When all else fails, play the anti-semitism

card. I'd bet these are the same people that cheer the rape and murder of 14 year old Iraqi kids, declare that they hate the survivors of 9/11, call for turning large sections of the world into glass, support blowing up abortion clinics, prattle about the 'good old times' when *those* people knew their place, support the Minutemen and mining the border with Mexico, declare that slaves really had it good, spew venom against gays and so on. But they rush to condemn even the slightest trace of anti-semitism, real OR (in this case) imaginary.

[MODemocrat]

28. Washington Journal-shame on you; you're lying

I don't care for Joe Lieberman for many reasons, but certainly not because he's Jewish. That's very unfair for that right wing operative to say this.