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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:17 PM
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Gingrich blames "Liberalism" for Va Tech Killings
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 01:29 PM by Vyan
Yes, that's right - following in the dark path of Laura Ingraham's ex-boy toy Dinesh D'Souza (who this past January began his his whirl-wind tour of blaming the left for 9/11) disgraced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich appeared on This Week with George Stephanapolous and proceeded to blame elite liberals for the massacre at Virginia Tech.
Almost ten years ago Gingrich originally laid the blame for Columbine at the feet of liberals.

July 20, 1999

"I want to say to the elite of this country - the elite news media,the liberal academic elite, the liberal political elite: I accuse you in Littleton, and I accuse you in Kosovo of being afraid to talk about the mess you have made, and being afraid to take responsibility for things you have done, and instead foisting upon the rest of us pathetic banalities because you don't have the courage to look at the world you have created."


Today Stephanoplous quoted those words back to him, and asked them if he would apply them to Virginia Tech. He said...

Yes.

I think the the fact is, when you look at the amount of violence we have in games that young people play at 7, 8 , 10, 12, 15 years of age, if you look at the dehumanization, if you look at the fact that we refuse to say that we are infact endowed with (sic) our creator, that our rights come from God - if you kill somebody you're committing and act of evil.


First of all, there's a Rating System for Video Games which is intended to give parents the option control over exactly what kind of material their kids are exposed to. If 8-year-old little Johnny is up all night chasing down ho's and blowing up police cars at 3 am playing Grand Theft Auto: Babylon that's a failure of parenting, not "liberalism."

That is of course unless they're too busy playing "LEFT BEHIND: Eternal Forces" where they act as members of the Tribulation Force intent on either converting or using paramilitary equipment and tactics to kill all non-believers (y'know Catholics and Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Gays and stuff) who refuse to accept the teachings of the one and only true JEEZus CHrisT into their hearts and join their brethen in the glory of the Rapture ™ .



The game revolves around New Yorkers who are “left behind” after the rapture. Players scour the streets for converts, training them into a work force to feed, shelter and join a paramilitary resistance against the growing forces of the Antichrist.

Left Behind Games CEO Troy Lyndon, whose company went public in February, says the game’s Christian themes will grab the audience that didn’t mind gore in “The Passion of the Christ.” “We’ve thought through how the Christian right and the liberal left will slam us,” says Lyndon. “But megachurches are very likely to embrace this game.” Though it will be marketed directly to congregations, Forces will also have a secular ad campaign in gaming magazines.


You suspect that was the kind of video game which recognizes we are "endowed by our creator" that Gingrich was talking about?

Now, it might have been fair to note that Kleibold and Harris - the Columbine killers - were hard-core Doom addicts, and that one could make the argument that what they did was essentially create a live action version of that game at their high school - but at the same time you'd have to ignore the fact that despite how popular that game has been over the last 15 years NOBODY ELSE has ever attempting anything so insane or heinous since that time. Well, 'til now.

Similarly, one could argue that they were trying to create a real-life version of the film "The Matrix" - with it's flashy gunplay and big black trench-coats - but that doesn't make such rank speculation neccesarily true either.

Of course at the time people were much too busy incorrectly blaming singer Marilyn Manson (whom Kleibold and Harris didn't like or listen too) to really pay attention to the issues of over-prescribed anti-depressants which seems to have had a marked tendency to promote suicidal and dangerous behavior particularly in young people.

It's odd and interesting that in Gingrich's original statement he tied Columbine to Kosovo, considering the fact that the Republican Congress which had been under his control opposed the efforts of President Clinton to bring that genocidal conflict to an end. From Salon.

"Instead of Theodore Roosevelt's 'talk softly and carry a big stick,' we have yelled and carried a toothpick." -- Ever-pleasant former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, breaking his silence this week to address a group of Republican women, on what he terms Clinton's "pathetic" Kosovo policy


History has shown that Clinton's efforts in Kosovo were ultimately successful and saved the lives of countless thousands - while Gingrich would have had the Congress tie his hands behind his back and add unneccesarily pork-barrel projects to his supplemental funding bill.

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, April 28) -- In order to "maintain our military readiness," President Bill Clinton urged Congress Wednesday to quickly pass his $6 billion emergency appropriations request to pay for the U.S. operations in the Balkans without doubling the funding amount.

"Let me stress that my request fully funds our military and humanitarian needs in Kosovo," Clinton said. "Congress should resist the temptations to add unrelated expenditures, even important ones, which could delay the process, because that would undermine the very goals that this funding is intended to meet."


Gee, that's sounds awfully familiar doesn't it?

To his credit Stephanopolous refused to give Gingrich a pass on his comments and pressed him.

Stephanopolous: But what does that have to do with "Liberalism"?

Gingrich: Well, who has created a situation - ethics - zone of not being able to talk about any of these things?


Gee, I give up - the All Powerful and Might Easter Bunny?

Gingrich: Let me give you another example...


"Another", where was the first one?

The Grinch: I strongly supported Imus being dismissed.


Thank Jehova for small favors.

Grinchman: But I also think the very thing he was dismissed for - which is the use of language - which is stunningly degrading of women -


Ok, I'm with you so far... and?

Grinchigan: The fact is that one of the Halloween Costumes this year was to either be a prostitute or a pimp at 10, 11, 12 years of age, buying a costume...


Ah, the new Britney and K-Fed Line © is out I see. Oh, and technically that was mommy and daddy buying their little sugar-lumps the prostitute couture, I think.

Grinchmiester : Ah, and we don't have any discussion of what's happening to our culture because we're restricting political free-speech under McCain-Feingold...


We're What!?? Have you seen the Swift-Boat Ads!??? How about the Harry Ford "Call me, Mandigo" Ad that the RNC did - or maybe didn't - approve and pay for?

Grinchit: It's impossible to restrict vulgar, and vicious and anti-human speech, and I would submit that that's a major component of what's happened to our culture over the last 40 years.


Wow. Ok, who was it that went absolutely ape-shit over Janet Jackson's right nipple on broadcast TV and proceeded to up the FCC fines by 10 times? Who fined Howard Stern for $495,000 and forced him off terestrial radio? At the same time who is it that refuses to use the already existing prohibitions in the FCC regs against Vulgar and Profane speech to give a little finacial pause to the vicious bile spewing from the likes of Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Dennis Prager?

Hint: It aint those damn dirty Liberals.

Gingrich of course has history of playing the blame the Liberal game. From Thinkprogress.

- In 1994, after Susan Smith confessed to drowning her two children in South Carolina, Gingrich quickly blamed liberals, saying the only way to avoid similar future incidents was “to vote Republican.”

- After former Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) was forced to resign over his sexually inappropriate behavior towards House pages, Gingrich declared that conservatives didn’t act to stop Foley because they “would have been accused of gay bashing” by liberals.

- At the Conservative Political Action Conference earlier this year, Gingrich blamed the residents of New Orleans’ 9th ward for “a failure of citizenship,” by being “so uneducated and so unprepared, they literally couldn’t get out of the way of a hurricane.”


Instead of looking at the fact that according the FBI Uniform Crime Reports the rate of violent crime in the United States has been on a steady decline since 1992.

Murder has dropped from 757.5 incidents per 100,000 people down to 469.2 in 2005. A reduction of 39% over a 15 year period.

Looking back over the last Ten Years the average reduction in the rate for all violent crime is down 26%. Murder and Non-negligent Homocide is down 24%. Forcible Rape is down 12.7%. The Robbery Rate is down 30% and Assault is down 25.5%.

Instead of looking at these facts, and the failures in mental health-care supervision and followup which after diagnosing Cho as "a danger to himself and others" clearly failed to help prevent the mass murder he commited at Virginia Tech, Gingrich - oppurtunistic vampire that he is - prefers to play partisan political games with the lives and memories of our lost friends and loved ones.

That, in my opinion, is what I truly think is profane and obscene speech.

Vyan
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:19 PM
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1. Ocelot blames "Gingrich" for being a knuckleheaded, hypocritical asshat.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:23 PM
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2. What the #@%& is his problem?
Liberalism? What a douche.

He can kiss my ass. Seriously.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:23 PM
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3. Newt gets a lot more attention than he deserves.
which is none.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:25 PM
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4. My, my it is the games!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 01:25 PM by nadinbrzezinski
Of course it is the games...

So Newt after you manage to ban games, what's next? Your right to speak?

Damn it Newt you are aware that the VIOLENT games you refer to are rated M?

you are also aware that I, or anybody else involved in any aspect of culture is NOT making Little Suzie play those games at oh seven, do you

And to give a personal example... when my brother bought her very mature 12 year old San Andreas, I raised hackle... it is her daughter, her very "mature" daughter

But you are telling me it is the game manufacturers who force parents to buy these M rated games for their kids?

Ok....

So you want a nanny state

You want a state where you tell us when to eat, and when to take a crap.

Okie dokie

And you will call that freedom no less.

Oh and as usual this is the facile answer to the lazy who really do not want to look at the big picture (in that respect the games are part of the puzzle) but we did not create this violent culture. It is part of the American myth going back to the old west, nor do we want to look at failures in the health care system, essentially destroyed by Reagan... this is the world YOU, the American Conservative, has craeted... this is the small fry get eaten by bigger fry, who are eaten by big fish that you have created with no safety net. That is what is staring back at you. Your outrage is false... for you will pray to mammon any day of the week and twice on Sunday as the false god of free markets.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:11 PM
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22. Good points, and since when were video games exclusively made by liberals?
There are liberal game designers, and there are right-wing game designers just as there are liberals that play games and there are right-wingers that play games. To blame all the violent video games on liberals is just plain ignorant. To make the statement even more ignorant there is no evidence that the Virginia Tech shooter was a serious gamer, they did not find any video games in his dorm room.

But in Newt's world everything bad that happens has to be the fault of anyone to the left of him. I am sure it was also the fault of liberals that he was having an affair while he was going after Clinton for the same thing. That's the party of personal responsibility for you.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:15 AM
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42. I think Democrats were involved in implementing the rating system. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:18 AM
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46. It was internal to the industry
just as the movie rating system

Both had the air that if they were not implemented somebody may get invovled, but they were both implemented and are run by the respective industries

And both have the same points of failure... incidentally (If you were looking at it from the point of view of some folks)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:26 PM
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5. Newt is running. I predict he will win the Repo nomination. And lose big in the general.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:40 PM
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44. that would be great..
I might vote in the Republican primary, just to help Newt drive his stake into the heart of the Republican party. ;)
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:29 PM
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6. newt is certifiably nuts
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:29 PM
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7. What the hell is a 'megachurch'? Sounds as ungodly (and as violent!) as the megamall...

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:46 PM
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15. Megachurches are Uber Holy!
O8) O8) O8) Get your Super-Sized Pray On! O8) O8) O8)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:29 PM
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8. Alor of VA Repubs aren't going to like thisi at all n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:29 PM
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9. What exactly is Gingrich saying the LW Elite have done?
From all I can tell, he speaks in generalities like "of being afraid to talk about the mess you have made, and being afraid to take responsibility for things you have done". What the hell is he talking about?

And if he wants to talk about kids being influenced by games, TV shows etc. IMO the worsst offender is Shrub himself! It's Newts Repug President who things attacking, bombing & killingis the solution to all the world problems! After all, aren't we constantly being told that children learn by example?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:33 PM
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10. What a better way for the country to heal than to blame a political ideology...
The Newt is surely a poster boy for the definition of an asshole.


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:37 PM
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11. Newt thinks you're stupid.
Good post.

Why this disgraced former speaker is given the time of day is beyond me.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:44 PM
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14. He went to Rehab?
Where else do disgraced TV people go to become un-disgraced...? :shrug:
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:02 PM
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20. No, he went to *Jaaaayzuss*

Newt's all born-again, now. Or born enough for Dobson fundie king-making crowd.

Gingrich confession: Clearing the way for a 2008 run?
POSTED: 7:13 p.m. EST, March 9, 2007
From Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former House speaker and potential presidential candidate Newt Gingrich has confessed, telling conservative Christian leader James Dobson that he was cheating on his wife at around the same time the House was impeaching President Bill Clinton over his White House affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Link:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/09/gingrich.schneider/index.html


Of course, how many people are still willing to fall for the Jesus-gave-me-a-mulligan routine anymore... that's an open question, I think.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:37 PM
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12. How many times do people link 'elite' with 'liberalism'?
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 01:43 PM by higher class
Where have I heard the word elite recently?
Cho?

He (Gingrich) is still ranting about liberalism? Behind the times. Aren't we now supposed to be progressives?
Must be because he's targeting old stuck in the mud born again followers who formed an opinion about 20 years ago and haven't budged because they are firmly entrenched with the batallions of other fetus loving policy dictating friends.

And to think this man once directed the House of Representatives with this deceptively manipulated empty headed propaganda. He's becoming crazier. There is nothing original, unique, or fascinating about his messages and accusations.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:43 PM
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13. Newt: STFU
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:53 PM
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16. Same shit, different day.
Knut Gangreenich blames absolutely everything on the liberals. :eyes:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:54 PM
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17. Yeah. Liberals killed JFK, RFK, MLK, started Iraq war...
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 01:54 PM by Gregorian
Without liberals, there'd be nothing but right wing authoritarian aggression and greed.

Trust me, I'll be posting a thread on the subject very soon. I'm finally discovering what makes the Newts of the world tick.

The conservatives have also created a society with so little hope for the remaining people, their frustration has led them to hold hostages for medical care, and many other sad things.

We're onto you fascists. Just give us a media and you'll be right in the spotlight where all cockroaches hate to be.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 01:54 PM
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18. That's Gingrich's only card, really, and he'll play it over and over again.
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 01:56 PM by Zenlitened

Because the fact is, the very idea of being a "republican" or a "conservative" has been thoroughly trashed. As a movement, it's lying in pieces on the ground, and the stink of it is impossible to ignore.

Oh, sure, he'll try to cast himself as a "true conservative" somehow distinct from the current crop of America-wreckers. But he -- or anyone else -- will have a hard time coming up with a concrete example of what he's accomplished on behalf of our nation, while examples of the poison he has poured into the well abound.

The fact is, Gingrich and his ilk are responsible for so much of what's wrong in America today. So much of the mess can be laid directly at his feet, and at the feet of his ideological litter-mates.

So the task of Democrats and Liberals now is to say so, unequivocally. And then go on to describe the policies we want to put to work for the American people.

We the people, all of us. America is sick and tired of conservative control, conservative lies, conservative manipulation, conservative messes.

You know it, I know it, the vast majority of people we meet in our everyday lives know it. It's up to us to offer a better plan.

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:01 PM
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19. No, Newtie, "liberalism" was quite absent...
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 02:47 PM by 8_year_nightmare
If liberalism had been involved, Cho would have been in a mental health care facility getting treatment for his illness. These days, mentally ill people like Cho are roaming the streets, dismissed by society, which seems satisfied ignoring the problem until "episodes" occur. Then society scratches its head & wonders why. These days, mental health facilities serve as emergency-room stations, where mental health patients stay two weeks until their medicines are regulated. They are then sent home, or dumped on the streets, to manage themselves.

If Newtie wants to politicize this tragedy, then his gun-loving, uncaring, don't-spend-my-money-on-the-less-fortunate "side" would have the burden of blame. But this isn't about guns. The focus should be on figuring out a better mental health care system!

*edited to fix grammar
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:26 PM
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23. Amen...
this is really about the one thing Republicans really don't want to talk about - Health Care!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:49 PM
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24. Or anything that doesn't touch their personal lives.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 05:12 PM
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30. Correction...
their pocket books and other peoples sex-organs!

Vyan
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 05:42 PM
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31. Exactly!
:hi:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:07 PM
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21. This just in--Arkana blames Gingrich for being an old, crusty, out-of-touch,
racist, sexist, misogynistic, dinosauric, fat, pathetic, hypocritical piece of shit.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:50 PM
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25. I think we should thank Gingrich...
... for making the progressive case.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 03:15 PM
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26. And what party was it that courts the NRA?
These fuckers piss me off to no end.
In 2000 and 2004, I remember people telling me that if the Democrats won, they would take all the guns away.
I had a couple of people who told me they could vote for Kerry for that very reason.

Who's convention was that Charlton Heston stood on the stage with a rifle in his hands and proclaimed they would pry it from his cold dead hands?

This is just fucking sick and someone needs to call this neocon assholes on this bull shit.

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 03:24 PM
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27. "The Power of Nightmares!!" Everyone who wants to know
the thinking, or lack thereof, that is behind Gingrich's mentality must see "The Power of Nightmares".

In it the author/producer Adam Curtis shows how the neo-cons and, coincidently or otherwise, the Islamic fundamentalists rose to prominence by blaming Western Liberalism for all that is wrong with the world.

Google: "Power of Nightmares" for numerous viewing sources.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 03:27 PM
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28. Who listens to Newt anymore? He's just a parody of himself. nt
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 04:48 PM
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29. More projection ca-ca, Newtie?
Pathetic.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 05:43 PM
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32. It's not what these insane, unscrupulous, lying fascists say. It's the many forums
they are given to say it in.

24/7 insane, unscrupulous, lying, twisted, bigoted, murderous, corrupt, fascist blather--on every TV station, on every radio station, dominating newspaper op-ed sections, coloring and distorting the "news."

All news and opinion in the country controlled by 5 rightwing billionaire CEO assholes. Our war profiteering corporate news monopolies.

Why give them ANOTHER forum? Why doesn't George Stephanapolous invite only leftists (majorityists) and mainstream Americans (75% of whom want the Iraq War ended, for instance) on his show? Why give these righwing crazies and thieves any more air time?

And just how DO they get so much air time? That should be the question--NOT what they have to say. What they have to say is of interest to only a small minority of people. Brownshirts. Bushites. Nutball 'christians.' Pat Robertson law school graduates. The stupid and the corrupt. Why don't they get just a little corner of our public airwaves? Why do they get almost all of it?

For shame, George, for shame! Letting Newt Gingrich suck up more oxygen.
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MarinCoUSA Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 06:33 PM
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33. The DUMBEST American alive- EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH
Really, The guy is truly the dumbest American on TV.

EVERY TIME he opens his mouth something stupid comes out! REALLY! EVERY TIME!

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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 08:21 PM
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34. Newt, listen up!
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TOhioLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 08:49 PM
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35. Um...Newtie?
Can you read lips?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 09:11 PM
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36. Gingrich is a bloated pus-filled sack of crap.
A scab on the crusty ass of humanity, an impacted tooth in the foul maw of society, and a loathsome, blood-gorged tick on the mangry, flea-ridden dog of America.
But you know what? Ted Nugent was right. If those kids had been armed at Viriginia Tech, not as many would have died. As soon as the killer opened fire in the classroom, everybody would've whipped their guns out and fired back. And certainly, noone would've gotten killed in the panicked crossfire that wouldn't have happened in any conceivable sense of the word.
In fact, ALL problems of society can be solved with guns. Homelessness? GUNS! War on drugs? GUNS! War on terror? GUNS!
Education? GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 09:31 PM
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37. Conservatives, and their Minions have
been in full voice over the past 12 years.

Look what Conservatism has spawned, I would say.

?God and Guns played big parts in this sad event.

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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 03:17 AM
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38. "elite liberals"
My eyes always roll when I hear this term spouted by the type who would live in gated communities.

As if Newt drives a Chevy, gets a cold one at happy hour, after putting a 12 hour day down at the mill.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:22 AM
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39. Gingrich is absolutely right, for once--I doubt he intended to be
The maniac right has gotten so set in their ways using
"liberal" as a catch-all for anyone that disagrees with
them, that they have completely forgotten what the word
means.

Virginia's gun laws are among the most liberal in the country.
Because they are so liberal, it is quite easy for a lot of
people to acquire guns that never should be able to. The
far right is completely liberal on gun ownership--free
access for everyone. You can see them posting everywhere:
"if those students at Virginia Tech had been carrying guns,
they would be alive today," and crap like that. I'd prefer
that gun ownership laws be far more conservative--erring on
the side of caution every time. That might REALLY conserve
something--like a few lives, for example. Today's so-called
"conservatives" don't really act like they're much interested
in preserving anything except their own dwindling hold on power.

Gingrich needs to spend some serious time with a dictionary,
since he likes to use words so much. He might learn something.

I'd still never trust the guy. Never EVER trust a guy with a limp
handshake, and his makes a dead fish seem perky (first-hand
experience, not speculation).
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 04:58 AM
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40. Meanwhile... W slams dems for politicizing the tragedy.
I sure hope most Americans are seeing through this particular line of bullshit.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 05:14 AM
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41. I would hope that at this point, most do
With the notable exception of those who still believe
that "misunderestimate" and "ecolectic" are English words,
along with those who are paid to pretend otherwise on TV.

PS--Bush supporters note: my spell check did not like either
"misunderestimate" or "ecolectic."
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:16 PM
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43. Not Surprised
I am not surprised about this. The only thing that surprises me is that it took so long for conservatives to pull this argument out of their bag. Anything bad that happens in the world is blamed on liberals.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:59 PM
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45. Maybe if Newt played more games he wouldn't have cheated on his wife or served her papers in the
hospital?

Newt = walking piece of human garbage.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:41 AM
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47. Fair enough -- I'll cop to that...
but in return, conservatives have to accept blame for the following:

The War In Iraq
The Erosion of Civil Liberties
Declining International Respect
Income Inequality
Eliminating the Fairness Doctrine
Decline of Manufacturing
Global Warming
Ongoing Genocide in Darfur
Defunding Public Education
Lack of Health Care

and Dennis Miller
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:51 AM
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48. Amazing...this from a serial adulterer....
Newt and Tom Delay are has-been, washed up Pols, spewing their craziness as if they're relevant.

That's bad enough, but let's put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the MSM Sunday morning talk shows that give these idiots a platform. Why the fuck does the MSM think ANYONE cares what these ethically-challenged hypocrites have to say? Fercrissakes, QUIT ALLOWING THEM TO AIR THEIR SANCTIMONIOUS SHIT ON OUR TELEVISIONS!!!!!
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