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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 03:56 PM
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Lieberman Leads Way In Warning To Iran
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-iran0712.artjul12,0,3251634.story

WASHINGTON - The Senate Wednesday put aside a growing schism over the conduct of the Iraq war and rallied around a strongly-worded warning to Iran authored by Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman.

The measure, an amendment to the defense spending bill, illustrates both growing concern lawmakers have about Iran's aggression and uncertainly about what to do. It passed in a 97-0 vote after Lieberman agreed to include a provision that nothing in his measure "shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of armed forces against Iran."

Lieberman has been almost a lone Senate voice in recent weeks protesting Iran's actions against American troops, suggesting that the U.S. should be prepared to use military force if necessary. Congress is not prepared to go that far at this point, but members did want to make a strong, bipartisan statement.

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So the Senate just passed an amendment to the defense spending bill sponsored by Joe Lieberman. It requires David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker to produce a report every sixty days on Iranian involvement in Iraq. The vote was 97-0. Here's some of what the amendment says, quoting Zalmay Khalilzad: We can't say whether Teheran is supporting Al Qaeda, but we do know that Al Qaeda people come here from Pakistan through Iran. And Ansar al Sunna, a partner organization of Zarqawi's network, has a base in northwest Iran.

Huh. This all seems reminiscent of something that happened a few years ago, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.
AND Who were those three Senators who didn't vote, you ask? Were they Clinton, Obama and Biden? Ha ha ha ha no. Brownback (R-KS), Johnson (D-SD), and Vitter (R-LA).
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:00 PM
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1. Liebermann needs surgery:
he needs an oral bypass so the shit in his head will bypass his mouth on
the way to his ass. Lately, so much shit has been falling out of his mouth,
I am surprised he hasn't contacted Vitter the Shitter to borrow some Huggies.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:01 PM
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2. Johnson is ill, Vitter is poopin in his diapers why did Brownback not vote?
any ideas?
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:04 PM
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3. AIPAC must be pleased as punch right now...
...and Joe will be swimming in green.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:15 PM
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7. he don't need green, its the 96 who voted with him...
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 04:16 PM by Tom Joad
and what they fear is not a lack of green, but also seeing opponents gathering of the loot.
they don't want to be the next cynthia mckinney.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:32 PM
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8. Nobody Dares To Stand Against AIPAC
Looks like AIPAC wants us to go to war with Iran.

2/3 of Americans don't want to be in the war we're in now.
Even fewer want to start another.

Polls of American Jews show similar results.

So who does AIPAC represent?

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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:05 PM
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4. Don't you love those 97-0 votes?
Imagine if something passed with that big of margin in the Russian State Duma. We'd be reading about "totalitarianism" in the New York Times.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:12 PM
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5. This just in!
Leiberman smacks hornet's nest with stick, is rushed to the hospital, and is quoted as saying "I don't know WHY they stung me 5000 times."
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:13 PM
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6. Pelosi led the way for an attack on Iran by removing a provision from
Edited on Sun Jul-15-07 04:13 PM by Tom Joad
the supplemental to require Bush to come to congress before any attack on Iran.
Let's give Nancy some credit also.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:45 PM
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11. What I do not get here
is just how in the hell does this "support" Israel? Unless the US can totally devastate Iran's air force in a single strike, which would mean very likely mean nukes, our troops in Iraq and Israel will pay a heavy cost. Iran would and is able to retaliate.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:20 AM
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14. I think you are right there... i don't get that either. neither do i see how the
continued occupation of the west bank and the expansion of settlements is a good idea.
states do stupid things.

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Dolcissiomo Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:34 PM
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9. Joe still commands considerable respect in the Senate.
He has sort of been the conscience of that body for a long time. He spoke for us in rebuking Clinton. He scolded but still voted against impeachment. He has one of the strongest liberal records in the Senate. We disagree with his Iraq stance, but anyone who has known him for a long time knows he hasn't changed; he's always been consistently liberal.
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:43 PM
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10. From
the republican side of the isle he has respect. To me he'll always be a traitor.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:59 PM
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13. Holy Joe is a reactionary puke that advocates neocon wars
I don't see his children enlisting in the military.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 04:55 PM
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12. This is how we started on the path that culminated with the Iraq War Resolution
Why is Harry Reid, a man that is opposed to impeaching Cheney or Gonzales, put the Likudnik Lieberman as Chair of Homeland Security Committee?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:25 AM
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15. Please help spread this YouTube Video
It is from July 2006 but it is just as relevent today as it was then. This is a message we have to do better at getting out. People are becoming increasingly afraid of Iran, but what they really need to fear is the predictable aftermath of any American or Israeli attack on Iran. On this video General Wes Clark directly confronts the fears about Iran expressed by a member of a FOX studio audiance, and debunks it, after earlier making the case for diplomacy while sternly warning:

"Otherwise, you’re just going to end up raising a 10-million man army to invade the Middle East and that’s something we don’t want the United States to do and I don’t think your viewers want all their children to spend the rest of their lives in uniform."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N79-4cyqfl0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enewshounds%2Eus%2F2006%2F07%2F24%2Ffox%5Fundercuts%5Fwesley%5Fclarks%5Fsane%5Fwords%2Ephp


The entire exchange was covered by News Hounds. In doing so they provided a partial transcript, but I urge you to view the video. It is much more powerful. Here is part of what News Hound wrote at the time:


"Later, a member of the audience challenged Clark and said she agree with Gillerman that the world is in World War III. "We simply don't appreciate or fear the threat we have from radical Islam. They want to destroy us," she said.

Clark was well-prepared to respond. " I think we have to be careful of labeling things World War III," he said. "We're not in the same position of Israel. ...We don't want to get drawn into a head-to-head conflict if we can avoid it. That's why we should be talking to people."

Huddy did her dirty work again, interrupting Clark, "Can we talk to people like Syria and Iran? How?"

"Yes you can," insisted Clark. "And here’s the thing. You cannot occupy those countries, you cannot simply declare World War III unless you want to raise an army of 12 millon men and march into the Middle East and occupy it, and we’ve already seen the example of Iraq. This is very, very difficult. So this is not like World War II with Germany and Japan. This is entirely different. We should use the military sparingly, as a last resort."

Again Huddy, who rarely challenges a conservative guest, asked Clark how the U.S. could "have diplomacy ... with countries like Syria and Iran. ... These are countries that have been on the record saying let's destroy the United States."

"If you agree with people, the dipolomacy is different. When you don’t agree with people, it’s even more important to talk, to box them in, to understand what they want, to help them see the world differently. Keep the force in reserve,. Otherwise, you’re just going to end up raising a 10-million man army to invade the Middle East and that’s something we don’t want the United States to do and I don’t think your viewers want all their children to spend the rest of their lives in uniform."

After he finished, a woman said, "I disagree with the general, and I agree with Juliet. We’re dealing with people that want to kill us. It's like if somebody's holding a gun to you how can you just talk to them?"

Clark again was ready with a response. "They’re not holding a gun to our heads," he said. "We are there. It’s our military that’s in Iraq. It’s the Israelis that are there with the most powerful vorce in the region. Iran has no way of reaching us except through Hezbollah terrorists. We’re tracking those people in the United States. I’m not saying there’s no threat, but I’m saying don’t make the mistake of thinking that this is a head-on conflict like Germany and the United States in World War II. It’s not there."

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/07/24/fox_undercuts_wesley_clarks_sane_words.php
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