Obama is killing Hillary among African-Americans

[BluegrassDem]

He's pulling 80% of the black vote no matter where! This is a bad omen for Hillary in the GE. Latinos will vote for Obama in the GE, but blacks are mad at the Clintons and will likely stay home. I don't see how Hillary can win PA, OH, MO, and MI, without heavy black support in the urban areas. Billary's charm offensive with African-Americans is not paying off at all.

[my3boyz]

1. I tell you what...Hillary better hope for Latinos in every state

to drag her over the line if she is depending on my vote. This is one African American who will not vote for her!

[NJObamaWoman]

13. I second that. I wont vote for her either.

[frankenforpres]

2. must be racists

thats what i learned on du today

hispanics hate blacks and blacks hate white women. the things you learn on election day.

[Yossariant]

19. See #1 and #13. They must have taught you what you learned, eh..

[Dogmudgeon]

3. That's not as "good" as it looks

Historically, Black urban bloc votes go 90/10 or better. There is intense door-to-door campaigning in Black urban races. Most Whites assume it's a case of Black folks "voting for their own kind" but it's actually the "intimacy" of the campaigning.

If Hillary is the candidate, the Black community will NOT be upset at all. It's all win-win for them.

--p!

[BluegrassDem]

11. Black turnout could be a record low in Nov. if Hillary is the nominee

If a city has a normal 100,000 black voter turnout, 90% likely goes Democratic. If Hillary is the nominee, she could still get 90% of the black vote, but there could be a turnout of only 30,000. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. She will need turnout in urban areas to offset the rural areas.

The only way Dems can win the big industrial midwestern states is with black voters in the cities. McCain will kill Hillary in PA, MI, and OH without urban turnout. Black people are very upset with Billary, and I don't see it changing. I really could see most staying home in November.

[joshcryer]

12. Not if Obama is the VP. :)

[NJObamaWoman]

15. Who says he's going to be the VP. Even if offered he might

reject it. Like he said HRC wont get his voters but he can get her voters. lol he might let her go against McCain and get her but kicked. Then he can run another time.

[TexasObserver]

29. If Hillary gets the nomination, Obama will reject being the VP pick

And who can blame him?

Talk about a useless position. With Bill hovering around the White House, being VP will be less than a warm bucket of spit.

Besides, Obama would correctly conclude that he would be making a big mistake to join Hillary in her administration.

I agree with the poster who said the Clintons have inflicted irreparable harm on their relationship with black voters. Those votes will not be coming back to the Clinton column, and anyone who fantasizes they will doesn't understand black voters in America. They won't see much difference in Hillary and McCain, and many other Democrats won't either.

[billbuckhead]

4. John McCain will do well among Hispanics and Asians if Hillary is not the nominee

The Archie bunker types and old white women will also go for McCain.

[jackson_dem]

5. Blacks will vote Democratic in November just like Latinos will regardless of who wins

Two words: President McCain. :scared: McCain will get a substantial chunk of Latino support but he will still lose that demographic.

[bellasgrams]

6. They turned on her because of BO's nonsense of whinning and

lying about Clinton. That just really ticked me off when it happened, BO knew what he was doing. He's going to be more of a divider than Bush ever was, and he's doing it deliberately.

[Lucinda]

7. She'll do fine in the general. As would Obama.

[robbedvoter]

26. Hear, hear!

I'm so tired of the GE timidity here!

[TheDonkey]

8. Billy boy pretty much alienated all African American voters. HC will not put any new states in play

She'll lose if she is the nominee. I just hope Obama can get in there by 2012 if that is the case :(

[SoCalDem]

27. yep, Bill lost credibility..and once lost, it's not coming back n/t

[margotb822]

9. No way

Obama only won 52% of the Latinos in his home state. Clinton won NY and CA and AZ, some of the largest Latino populations in the country. And you know what is sad? If Obama doesn't win the nomination, the AA that supported him in this primary will not vote Dem in the GE. They have not represented the desire to compromise with the Dems in this election, and that is going to hurt in Nov. No one is entitled to the nomination. I admit, Obama is a great speaker. Do I agree with all of his positions? No. Would I like to see him in the WH over ANY Republican? Definitely. How come this attitude doesn't catch? Why did the AA community vote for Clinton in such overwhelming numbers that he was called the first black president? I don't think this nomination process is over, by a long shot. But, for you to make these unsubstantiated claims is ridiculous.

[Cha]

10. We'll see...I know the clintons' big strategy

of trying to compartmentalize Obama as Black went over like a fucking lead balloon as well as the dirty mailings. With Obama showing Strong expect more of that from the hilarys 'cause they never learn.

[margotb822]

14. Please

Obama did well, but not as well as he could have. Case in point: CA. If you want to talk about a diverse population, look there. Clinton is strong with the Dem base. The question is: will the AA community show up in Nov if Obama doesn't lead the ticket? My guess is, they will vote if he's on the ticket, no-show if he doesn't get the nod. You know the saying, don't hate the player, hate the game. If you think Clinton plays politics hard, imagine what the GOP will do. They're backed into a corner, they'll fight with all they've got. Obama won't get out of it clean (no Dem will).

[Cha]

17. Please yourself...hilary is my senator

and has shown nothing but cowardice and no leadership for 7 years and her campaign is run the same way..so don't try and lecture me.

[margotb822]

18. Show us how Obama is better...

And, her name is HiLLary, so you should at least try to spell her name right. I will support either of these candidates, but you are making baseless claims based on emotion. Give us numbers and examples.

[HughMoran]

16. Most ridiculous theory of the day award

I don't get why you think blacks won't show up for Hillary. Won't Barack want his supporters to vote for the Dem nominee?

[margotb822]

20. It will depend heavily on his endorsement

Check out the following sites and see if you think that people will show up for HRC. I did, until I looked here.

African American Political Pundit
The Field Negro (Negro? Really? I am black and I am not happy with this distinctive term)
Jack and Jill Politics

I tried to post comments regarding Edwards and was met with much resistance. The comments say it all. I don't have a problem with BO, but many people seem to have a problem without him...

[Sapphocrat]

21. You don't know where "field Negro" comes from?

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/malcolmxgrassroots.htm

[margotb822]

22. I understand its a saying

It just doesn't do right by me. I'm sorry, but it doesn't make me feel as if we have progressed in the last 50 years. I would like to see the AA (and people of all ethnic groups) become Americans. To label oneself only causes divisions. I don't usually answer about my race or gender because I want to be a person, not a person who is stereotyped into certain agendas. The thing I always ask is "what if the majority were doing it?" What is there was White Entertainment Television? What if there was Ivory magazine? I'm not saying that people shouldn't identify themselves to their past, but you can't have it both ways. You can't be the same and different at the same time. So, we have reached a fork. Do we vote the issues or do we vote race or gender? Many of the truly progressive candidates have left, so I think the discussion is almost moot. But, I'll tell you this, I wouldn't vote for Condoleeza Rice just because she ran for office. And I think more people need to look at the election from outside of their comfort zone.

[Sapphocrat]

25. Honest? It's always about issues for me.

I always say (and mean it): I'm not looking for a female president, or a black president, or a gay president -- I want the best president... and if s/he happens to be gay, black, and/or female, that's a bonus -- but not anything I'd base my vote on. I wouldn't vote for Barney Frank if he ran for office, and he's a Dem -- but I think a lot of people believe all gay people would even vote for a gay Republican, given the chance, as if sexual orientation trumped common sense.

"What is there was White Entertainment Television? What if there was Ivory magazine?" I'd be as horrified as if there were a Straight Pride Day (well, actually, there are "Straight Pride Days," organized by zombie-eyed religious crusaders who really, really want to send folks like me to ex-gay camp -- or just plain kill me, if they could get away with it). The former would be racist and the latter homophobic, for the simple reason that a minority cannot oppress a majority -- and when the minority is kept at arm's length from assimilating with the majority (not subjugating to, but assimilating with), we have to have our "gay ghettos," and our black cable channels. That's my take, anyway; I'm sure at some point someone will come along and flame me, insisting that I'm an idiot if I think there's no such thing as "reverse racism" or "heterophobia." (One thing I do know: Plain old assholism knows no barriers in color, sexuality, gender, age, disability, etc., etc.)

As for "field Negro," I've always loved Malcolm's speech, and often quote it whether or not the subject at hand is racism or some other -ism, as the concept of "field Negro" is so perfectly applicable to -- well, to Log Cabin Republicans, for one. I wish Malcolm had used a different phrase myself, as I wouldn't dream of using "Negro" (which makes him awfully difficult to quote), but I'm not sure how else he could have made the point. I expect the phrase falls on your ear the way "fruit" or "invert" or "pederast" might strike a gay man (i.e., not the very worst, but certainly all patently offensive and archaic terms we'd all rather didn't make a comeback).

I don't understand what you mean when you say you "would like to see the AA (and people of all ethnic groups) become Americans." Can you explain?

[margotb822]

28. It seems to me

that people want it both ways. They wanted to be treated as a separate group, but at the same time, people want to be treated equally. Maybe I'm dreaming, since politics is all about demographics, but I don't think it can be both. One vote is one vote, so it shouldn't matter who casts it. Also, it would be difficult to assume that because people will vote a certain way because they're black or female. It happens with all groups, but I think it is most pronounced with African Americans and Latinos. And I think there is a lot more that goes into a vote than race or gender. I think it rests more heavily on the media and the 'analysts' than the candidates. There's nothing wrong with respecting one's culture, and I wouldn't want to stop people from doing that, but in the political arena, I'd like to see those divisions lessened.

[Zynx]

23. Against McCain don't be so sure about that Latino vote.

[margotb822]

24. It will be interesting

Seeing that he has represented AZ for all of these years. But, I believe that if he wins the nomination, the GOP will expect him to take a much tougher stance on immigration, which could hurt his Lation vote.

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. of course he is. He made sure of that when he shouted "racism"

from the rooftops.