"Ten Nails" - The Ten Nails in Hillary's Presidential Coffin

[Infinite Hope]

I think also Super Tuesday showed Obama was for real to many skeptics who otherwise liked him. It showed Iowa wasn't beginners luck and South Carolina wasn't a "black" win. He not only held his own, but basically beat her on Super Tuesday and following all of the negative comments and tactics from the Clintons, that was the fourth nail in her coffin.

The first, second, and third being Iowa, negative comments NH through SC, and South Carolina itself.

The contests in Washington and Nebraska, because of their margins, were her fifth nail.

Louisiana the same day was her sixth since it was a primary coming as she simultaneously said primaries were her strength with Obama handily winning caucuses.

Maryland and DC, because of their margins, were her seventh nail.

Virginia was her eighth nail because it was a strong state for her previously and all of her key demographics were there.

Wisconsin was her ninth nail both in preventing Hillary from gaining momentum going into her do-or-die states of Texas and Ohio and also in providing Obama additional momentum going into the same states. Ohio has much the same demographics as Wisconsin.

Her tenth and final nail in her presidential coffin will be Texas, Ohio, and/or Pennsylvania if Obama wins one or more of these.

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Hillary appearance of incompetence:
Despite the truly brilliant woman that she is, she (her campaign/advisors) continued using strategies that failed to recognize the realities of the electorate. Her Giuliani-esque decision to wait for distant big states made her *appear* naive, out of touch.

Her remarks on being ready on day one failed to account for the fact that voters had already established Obama as credible. This strategy failed to recognize the people's desire for judgment and common sense as much as expertise; the people know a president has advisors and acts in light of his/her best judgment on that advice.

[blm]

1. Here was Hillary's first REAL NAIL.

Like we were supposed to believe Carville was sabotaging Ohio voters on his own.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Nail #2
Like we were supposed to believe Hillary was really outraged at Kerry when she joined Bush and McCain's lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Infinite Hope]

2. I had forgotten about that 2004 issue with Kerry/Carville. n/t

[blm]

3. Enough of us Dems know about it and we also knew they would target Dean to be removed

as head of DNC - and that is exactly what they attempted immediately after Nov 2006 election.

There were some of us here at DU who predicted that would happen by mid 2005.

[AtomicKitten]

5. That is so apparent now.

I'm sorry I was too blind to see this correlation before.

[Infinite Hope]

8. Why do they want him gone anyway?

Just to install a DLCer who would have helped Hillary more directly or is there something I'm missing?

[blm]

9. It would have changed the entire race. Dean strengthened the NATIONAL infrastructure

by going in and rebuilding the party infrastructures state by state.

One of the things we've discovered about Clinton's campaign is that they had no national infrastructure in place because they really assumed they would win and win it early.

[Infinite Hope]

12. So the Clinton camp didn't want a national infrastructure? You're not really explaining.

You're just listing. Please explain as I'm interested.

[blm]

13. I think they intended to use the one Dean built at the DNC but the only way they

could do that was to get him pushed out and replaced with one of their guys. Remember when Carville started talking publicly after Nov 2006 to replace Dean with Harold Ford?

They couldn't do it, but if they did, they would've ended up with the extra infrastructure to take them alot further than they are now.

[Infinite Hope]

17. How would they have used that neutral infrastructure for themselves?

I'm thinking of all the staff hired for each congressional district and such. Even by installing their own man, how does one campaign get access to the infrastructure and not others? There's obviously something to Carville wanting Dean out, but I'm not (yet) convinced that specifically is it. But I'm still listening openly and interested.

[blm]

18. Well, they likely had enough of their own people still in positions at the DNC

and I doubt very much they would have done anything blatantly obvious, but, working behind the scenes would not be new to them.

I don't know specifically what Douglas Brinkley observed to make his comment in April 2004, but I do know that Terry McAuliffe never used his stewardship of the Dem party to build a strong infrastructure for the 2002 and 2004 election cycles - he only concentrated on DC-centric projects that he poured money into - OUR money in DC projects instead of state by state party building.

Brinkley's observations:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354


Carville's deceit:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


I see a big picture view of the Clinton machine over the past decade and just see nothing from their actions and the actions of their loyalists that showed any concern for the overall party.

[anigbrowl]

4. Hamstringing Kerry like that was bad.

Hillary didn't seem to have any problem backing up Bush or the GOP any time she thought there was a chance to triangulate and paint herself as a 'higher ground' type. It's one o the big reasons I wasn't sold on her candidacy going into this election cycle.

[blm]

6. They are ONLY good at it when they aren't SEEN doing it. She's being SEEN in this race

against Obama along with her thugs.

There was no way to bring this out in 2000 or 2004, though Brinkley came close in his April 2004 - but it would have become a huge split in the party DURING the 2004 campaign if it became more public. People were so used to Clintons being the FACE of the party.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Yuk....Nail Number 2 really, really stinks!

Hillary cannot be President....just on that alone!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. ....

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

10. The millions paid to people who told her not to contest small states

The thousands paid for the lustful pursuit of sandwich platters for Iowans.

[blm]

14. Unfortunately, that is the way they SEE politics and the way they value people.

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[LucyParsons]

15. I think Obama may win Texas

If so, it's totally totally over.

(as a lukewarm Obama voter)

[Infinite Hope]

16. More discussion on why she's been tanking (link)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4737213