The "B" Girl Was Worse Than Susan Smith, Tawana Brawley, And The Duke LaCrosse Accuser

[DemocratSinceBirth]

She did it in the context of a presidential campaign with the express desire to foment a white backlash against Senator Obama.

The media needs to invesitgate who in the McCain campaign put her up to it...

[CalGator]

1. let's not go overboard

Susan Smith killed her kids. I realize that in the gist of things that a Presidential election can affect the country more than two kids, but what Susan Smith did was just evil. Ashley Todd was just dumb.

The Duke accuser did only harm to the Duke lacrosse team and not so much a Presidential candidate. I don't think her accusations were as pre-meditated as the B girl, too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. WORSE

This was a premeditated act with malice aforethought to influence a presidential election by stoking racial hatred against the first serious African American candidate for president...

I want to know who in the McCain campaign put her up to it!

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Agreed

What Susan Smith did was extremely despicable as two innocent children were killed, but you have to admit that it was limited in scope.

Ashley Todd tried to influence an entire election by trying to turn White America against Black America with the goal of defeating Obama and generating racial hatred against Blacks.

Susan Smith's situation was limited and her goal was not to create mass amounts of racial tension in order to influence a presidential election.

What Ashley Todd did was much worse IMO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. My Take On Susan Smith And Tawana Brawley

Tawana Brawley had skipped school and needed an excuse...She (reflexively), probably based on latent social conditioning, said she was sexually abused by some white men (BAD)...


Susan Smith committed the heinous act of murdering her two children...She (reflexively), probably based on latent social conditioning, said a black men did it.(VERY BAD)...

The "B" Girl (deliberately) mutilated herself and (consciously) blamed a black man to defeat Senator Obama in his historic bid for the presidency by fomenting a racial backlash against him. (HORRIBLE)


I WANT TO KNOW WHO IN THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN PUT UP UP TO IT...

[Cali_Democrat]

10. New story from TPM released a few hours ago...

This is VERY interesting and it details the events in chronological order...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/astral66/2008/10/pittsburgh-reporter-contradict.php


Looks like the McCain camp was aggressively pushing this race-baiting story.

[vaberella]

5. Agreed and I concur. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

21. What? This goes further than being just dumb.

To put more of a perspective on this. 40 or 50 years ago, innocent people would by LYNCHED due to stunt like this.

Her goal was to portray a white woman, screaming as a victim to THOSE people, and she gave the description.

There are some innocent people sitting in prison on death row because of ones like this who think it's the best fun a girl can have - by lying, and you say she was just dumb?


This is one reason why we all have rights to be "innocent until proven guilty".

[dansolo]

58. The Duke attacker falsely accused specific people

The other fake attacks gave a more general description, though I forget if Tawana Brawley named any specific cops as her alleged attackers. In that regard, the Duke accuser was much worse, because there was definite harm to her victims.

[vaberella]

3. They said it was one of the aides on McCain's campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/ashley-todd-story-pushed_n_137710.html

Check it out.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I Hope Tom Brokaw Asks McCain About It On Sunday's MTP

You betcha...

[SKKY]

8. Worse than Susan Smith????

Um, no. "B" Girl in no way compares to a mentally ill woman who kills her own to children.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. The Impact On The Social Body Was Potentially Worse

Susan Smith needed an excuse to explain the disappearance of her two children...She reflexively said a black guy took them...She could have as easily said a white guy took them...

The "B" Girl intentionally tried to torpedo the first African American's bid for the presidency by casting a dispersion on an entire race...

[Benhurst]

18. I agree. And think of the tens of thousands of children who were

killed as a result of Bush's theft of the White House. McCain may not be another Bush; but he certainly is belligerent and seems to have a quick fuse. How many children in the world will be at risk if he makes it to the Oval Office?

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Susan Smith's individual act is worse, but....

the potential consequences of Ashley Todd's statements and actions are mind blowing when you think about it. It would have had far-reaching consequences.

What Ashley Todd did could have dealt a serious blow to US Society and race relations in general, especially because the first AA candidate is running for prez.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Of Couse Susan Smith's Act Is Worse

But it lacks the deliberation of the "B" Girl's act...

Susan Smith's act reminds me of the murders where Jeffrey MacDonald killed his family in the seventies and blamed it on Manson like hippies...

[Franzia]

15. If not for the intertubes and the fact that it was such a pathetic attempt,

she could have changed the history of the world.

Really.

[krkaufman]

13. Dude. Susan Smith killed her children. sheesh. n/t

If you're only talking about the coverup lie, that's another thing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Dude, There Was No Cover Up In The "B" Girl Case

The "B" Girl ,with malice aforethought, beat herself and carved herself up, balamed it on a black guy, in an attempt to foment white racial resentment and fear of African Americans to torpedo the bid of the first African American to make a serious bid for the presidency...


Susan Smith neeeded an alibi...There was no agenda..

[Stand and Fight]

16. This really is beyond the pale.

Kooky and totally beyond me. The damage done by Ashley Todd was minimal and has passed. The lives of Susan Smith's children cannot be recovered no matter how profusely she apologized or how often it is reflected upon. The loss of life trumps scope. Whatever the heck that means....

And I doubt anyone in the McCain campaign put her up to it. She's a pathetic and sick young woman. Not everything involves a shadowy conspiracy. Now I do believe that they tried to exploit it and were prepared to go further with it. I seriously doubt that they would take the risk of putting someone up to something like this. I do believe that they pushed the story though. I think they pushed it hard and they deserve to suffer for it. Let's try to remain objective...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. See #23

But I would add the Nazis were more adroit than Ms. Todd at hiding their perfidy...

[Heidi]

17. No, the worst thing is that she perpetuated the stereotype of the violent black man

who must be feared, and there are many out there who won't care that it was a lie. That kind of sh!t will be around a lot longer than the McCain campaign. What she did goes a lot further than attempting to forment political backlash. Although I do not doubt that Ashley Todd is in need of mental health care, I still consider her actions a hate crime.

[pecwae]

19. Not even close. Dramatic much?

[DrDan]

20. Grow up - get a life. Worse than Susan Smith??????????

You need to take a break from this campaign and get your values straight.

[Life Long Dem]

22. Grow up!

Is that all you ever say? :rofl:

[DrDan]

35. only when the shoe fits

:boring: :P

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I'd Compare What She Did To The Nazis Burning Down The Reichstag

I'd compare what she did to the Nazis burning down the Reichstag and blaming it on the Communists, fomenting a backlash among Germans against the left ,and ushering in the era of Hitler...


But I forgive you as the ability to think abstractly doesn't come to aroung the age of twelve...

[DrDan]

32. if you believe the two are comparable, you have a very

strange sense of proportions.

So deranged rabid mccain supporter filing a false claim and a woman who knowingly killed her two children.

You honestly believe those are the same.

Your sense of priorities are bit screwed up. Perhaps once the election is over, you will begin to regain a sense of balance.

You honestly believe her charge was the same as Nazi misdeeds. Wow - <walks away shaking head>

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. They Both Tried To Undermine Democracy

One tried to undermine democracy by saying a black man beat and mutilated her to foment racial hatred and to torpedo the chances of the first African American to be president and the other tried to undermine democracy by burning down the parliament and blaming it on the opposition...

If you don't see the nexus bewtween the two incidents there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.


Wow - <walks away shaking head>

[npincus]

25. No.

Susan Smith KILLED her kids and blamed it on a black man. A scratch on the face is not worse than murdering children.

Tawana Brawley, with the aid of Al Sharpton (whom I will never forgive or forget) coordinated a response relating in the lives and careers of 5 white men (the accused) being ruined. That is not worse than a scratch on the face.

This girl has only ruined her own life, and done political damage to her candidate. Her intent was EVIL and RACIST, and may well have resulted in false arrest or worse, but the damage was contained. These other examples are all very different. I don;t think it's appropriate or accurate to apply a rating system to measure them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. See #23

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[npincus]

27. I respect your opinion

but you are giving this inconsequential, grandiose-scheming, naive pipsqueak way too much significance. The only reason why we've even heard of her is because of some coordinated effort through the McCain campaign and RW media to stir racial anger, thus punishing Obama on Nov. 4. That is pretty damned disgusting and outrageous, I agree. But what happened at a Pittsburgh ATM machine is not, in my opinion, on a par with burning down the Reichstag!

My own intuition is that Miss Todd had a night to realize how her little scheme had gotten away from her, and the business with telling cops she's had mental problems, and doesn't remember carving the B in her cheek, doesn't remember saying it was politically motivated, is strictly BS and an effort to set up her defense and insulate the McCain campaign from more damage.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. The Editing Period Is Over

Implied in my opinion is that I believe the societal impact was larger...Of course, there is no crime worse than murder but Ms. Todd concocted this scheme to foment racial hatred with the desire it would derail the candidacy of the first black man to have a better than theoretical chance of attaining the highest office...

Ms. Brawley and Ms. Smith created an ad hoc excuse to explain away their misbehavior...In Ms. Brawley's case she was skipping school...In Ms. Smith's case she had murdered their two children...IMHO, neither was trying to foment racial hatred...Ms. Todd planned the whole event to cast a dispersion on an entire race and create a white backlash against Senator Obama...

[stray cat]

29. Killing your children and blaming someone else is worse if you ask me

[woo me with science]

30. Enjoying the attention?

Sheesh.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Not As Much As Mr. Lynch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lynch_Speech

[Fran Kubelik]

33. You're sick.

Susan Smith? SERIOUSLY???

[NEDem]

34. Agreed

The OP is disgusting. Susan Smith killed her kids!!!

[DrDan]

36. I also agree Fran

this is deranged. The poster has lost all sense of proportion - the election has taken over the senses.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. See #23

I am sorry you and Fran disapprove of me... I think I will kill myself...No, I will go shopping...

[DrDan]

59. see #32

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Was Discussing The Societal Impact

Too bad the ability to think abstractly comes with puberty...

[Midlodemocrat]

42. Were you even ALIVE during Tawana Brawley or Susan Smith?

I was. I remember the 'societal impact' very well. In fact, we have Susan Smith to thank for the fact that the Pittsburgh police department didn't start rounding up 6'4" black males.

Your thread sucks.

[treestar]

55. It is amazing that even among Democrats/liberals the concept of

a society is meaningless. I guess those outraged on this thread would not consider George Bush a murderer, because after all, he didn't actually kill anybody. Maybe Hitler himself never personally killed anybody.

Some of us can see your point - Susan Smith tried to race bait for her individual benefit - Todd tried to do so for a societal "benefit." (Such as racists see it). They both did the same thing, and it is easy for the intellect to see the greater effect possible when someone does it for more than just their own individual benefit.

[marshall]

40. Aren't there people who still believe Tawana and the Duke accuser?

Nobody ever believed the "B" Girl--even the right wing pundits.

[Midlodemocrat]

41. Epic Fail. Susan Smith drowned her babies.

Get a grip.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Was Referring To The Accusation

Of course what Susan Smith did was incomprehensibly evil but it's human nature to blame someone else after committing such a horrible crime...Most murderers don't confess... Ms. Todd tried to undermine Senator Obama's campaign by falsely portraying African Americans of which he is one of being criminal and violent...

[Midlodemocrat]

44. You're gonna be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that

attempting to undermine a political campaign with a bogus claim that was debunked almost immediately is worse than murdering your own babies and blaming it on the big, black, bogeyman.

Frankly, it's disgusting that you feel that way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. She Blamed

Susan Smith blamed an African American because she was unconsciously socially conditioned to do so...It's akin to Casey Anthony blaming a woman she never met for abducting her child...

Ms. Toddd created this ruse, to pit whites against blacks, and undermine the candidacy of the first serious black candidate for president...

As for your ad hominem attack I'll pay it the crededence it deserves which is nothing...


KISSES
DSB

[Midlodemocrat]

46. ad hominem attack? I watched CNN for two days and saw

that woman crying and appealing for the 'return of her babies'. If you don't think it was divisive, you're off your damned rocker.

BTW, spell check is your friend.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. There Was A Typo -"Credence "

Oh, and correcting spilling mistakes and typographical errors is weak sauce...


KISSES

DSB

on edit- "spelling" mistakes...I saved you the trouble...And I think I put one too many a d in Todd(d)...

[bettyellen]

48. it's context or intent- Susan did it to save her own ass after doing the unthinkable

she did it because her own back was against the wall- and she just pulled the story out of her ass and ran with it.
it wasn;t like she was a racist on a mission to cause riots.
this Ashley person may have had very high hopes her stunt would forment unrest, promote bigotry, and tip an election.
the consequences of which could easily be thousands of lives lost.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Thank You...

Of course I think murder is worse...

The Susan Smith case reminds me of the Jeffrey MacDonald case where an offcer and a doctor murdered his wife and two children by stabbing them and then blaming it on drug crazed hippies...What made it plausible was this was during the Manson era...

[OnionPatch]

49. Um. No.

What she did was reprehensible, but it's pretty hard to get more reprehensible than murdering your own children. Sorry.

[bettyellen]

51. i think they mean the blame the black lie itself was worse- not the crime.

[LisaL]

52. Oh give me a freaking break.

Was their an actual innocent person accused of hideous crime? No. Then you got no leg to stand on with this ridiculous claim.
And Susan Smith who actually drowned the car with her kids? Let's see-dead children vs. someone making allegations which were debunked in a really short period of time. Gee, which one is worse?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. She Described A 6'4'' 200 Pound Black Man

Since she made that part up there is no reason to believe she wouldn't have picked out an innocent black man out of a line up who fit that description if it got that far; falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus...

And that's not the point...The point is the mendacity and deliberation that went into her ruse... She tried to start a race war and tip an election...

[LisaL]

54. Oh so freaking what?

You've never heard of cases where someone with an agenda (of whatever cause) claims to be a victim?
These cases happen frequently enough that you should have heard of at least some.
I would hardly say what Miss Todd did is unusual or unique, or somehow more atrocious than other such claims.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. This Is What Used To Happen When White Women Accused Black Men Of Defiling Them

http://www.worldsfamousphotos.com/the-lynching-of-young-blacks-1930.html

And that's not even the "real" point...

The point was she tried to influence the election by using the most underhanded tactics imaginable...

[LisaL]

57. Lots of things used to happen.

This is twenty first century.