Coulter not welcome, student federation at University of Ottawa bars posters of event

[polly7]

Coulter not welcome, student federation at University of Ottawa bars posters of event
By Grace | March 21, 2010
From The Ottawa Citizen
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=20816

LONDON, Ont. - American conservative firebrand Ann Coulter won't be in London until Monday but already the dust is flying.

Local activist and one-time NDP candidate Megan Walker says of Coulter, "She's venomous . . . She crosses the line and promotes hatred and violence."

Walker's comments provoked a response from a woman instrumental in bringing Coulter to London, Mary Lou Ambrogio, whose group, the International Free Press Society, is paying $10,000 for the appearance, the balance of Coulter's fee coming from an American group that promotes conservatism in young women, the Claire Boothe Luce Policy Institute.

Coulter couldn't be reached by phone. In a brief e-mail, Coulter offered to comment, but hadn't done so by Friday.
http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada/2010/03/20/13300086.html

[Lucy Goosey]

1. Oh, ew.

The University of Ottawa campus is not 100 metres from my home. I wonder if I will be able to sense her evil presence?

That said, the National Post article on Coulter's visit reminded me that I hate our hate speech laws.

In an email sent to Ms. Coulter on Friday, a copy of which has been obtained by the National Post, Mr. Houle wrote: "Our domestic laws, both provincial and federal, delineate freedom of expression (or "free speech") in a manner that is somewhat different than the approach taken in the United States. I therefore encourage you to educate yourself, if need be, as to what is acceptable in Canada and to do so before your planned visit here."

He continued, "Promoting hatred against any identifiable group would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2710026#ixzz0iu7duhwx

Does being a free speech absolutist make me a bad leftie?

[Bragi]

2. I'm with you

I too aqm a free speech absolutist, and feel that censorship due to political disagreement is never justified. That's what we have here. Sure Coulter is a despicable hater, but no more so than, say, our current Justice Minister, who hates anyone who gets in trouble with the law, or our PM, who hates and vilifies anyone who disagrees with him.

The other thing about this kind of censorship is that it provides cover for the Harperites when they similarly censor free speech for ideological reasons by denying entry to anyone critical of Israel.

[polly7]

12. No, it doesn't make you a bad leftie.

I agree with you mostly, but in her case, she's said such horrible things I think a stern warning is appropriate. Free speech in her case is nothing but bigotry, lies and slander meant to harm certain groups of people and in this case, our law should apply. jmo. But no ....... you're an excellent leftie!

[iverglas]

14. "Does being a free speech absolutist make me a bad leftie?"

Yes.

It makes you some sort of 18th century yankee. And that's not a leftist.

[HeresyLives]

3. Our law is quite specific on 'hate'

Canadian Human Rights Act
• Section 13 is used to attack websites which promote hate as defined in this section;
• Canadian Criminal Code

• Section 318 - Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.

• Section 319 - Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of ........

• Section 320 - A judge who is satisfied by information on oath that there are reasonable grounds for believing that any publication, copies of which are kept for sale or distribution in premises within the jurisdiction of the court, is hate propaganda shall issue a warrant under his hand authorizing seizure of the copies.

[Bragi]

4. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association opposes this law

And so do I. The way to defeat hate speech is to argue against it using our right to free speech.

[HeresyLives]

5. It's a good law, and I support it.

We have a prime example of what happens without it.

[Bragi]

6. Godwin's Law! You lose this debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[HeresyLives]

7. I wasn't referring to Nazis.

But if I was, that would negate this absurd internet 'law'.

[Bragi]

8. Okay, you win.

Who were you referring to?

[HeresyLives]

9. LOL

I was referring to people like Coulter, who can apparently openly advocate genocide for 'liberals'...or anybody else she chooses to.

[Bragi]

10. Fair enough.

[iverglas]

16. more importantly, she openly advocates actual genocide

http://old.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter.shtml

Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

The bit of this being quoted in the papers today generally starts with "We know who". But even without the express reference to Muslims earlier in the paragraph, there wasn't really much doubt who she was talking about.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." And kill civilians. Civilians defined by their religion. Oh, she may have walked a fine line, and yeah, if that had been spoken in Canada it might not quite have made it to the level of a Criminal Code offence when it comes to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But I don't think any of us are so stupid as not to know what it's saying.

[polly7]

17. She seems to hate a lot of people and believe they shouldn't exist.

I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
Her column; December 21, 2005

Bill Clinton "was a very good rapist"; "I'm getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties"; "I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning.
New York Observer, January 10, 2005

Canada
better hope the United States does not roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent.
Fox News; Hannity & Colmes, November 30, 2004

Darfur conflict
These people can't even wrap up genocide. We've been hearing about this slaughter in Darfur forever — and they still haven't finished. The aggressors are moving like termites across that country. It's like genocide by committee. Who's running this holocaust in Darfur, FEMA? This is truly a war in which we have absolutely no interest.
<1>; April 4, 2007

God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'
Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; June 20, 2001

Freedom of speech
They're always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment. (Oh really???) Just your right to it?


Fox News; Hannity & Colmes, August 24, 2006. video
Islam
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
<8>" September 12, 2001

Perhaps we could put aside our national, ongoing, post-9/11 Muslim butt-kissing contest and get on with the business at hand: Bombing Syria back to the stone age and then permanently disarming Iran.
Muslim Bites Dog; February 15, 2006

Jersey Girls (A group of 9/11 Widows)
These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis... These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them... I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much.
Excerpt which caused media controversy Godless: The Church of Liberalism June 2006<10><11> (not a call for violence, just pure ugly, imo)

Liberals
Vester: You say you'd rather not talk to liberals at all?
Coulter: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.
(FOX News Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6)

When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.
Conservative Political Action Conference; February 26, 2002

I have to say I'm all for public flogging. One type of criminal that a public humiliation might work particularly well with are the juvenile delinquents, a lot of whom consider it a badge of honor to be sent to juvenile detention. And it might not be such a cool thing in the 'hood' to be flogged publicly.
MSNBC, 22 March 1997
Quoted in "The Wisdom of Ann Coulter", The Washington Monthly, October 2001. URL accessed on 2007-04-09.
(Anne, you were terrified at a little thrown pie, are you sure you're for public humiliation and violence?)

New York Times
My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
New York Observer article; August 26, 2002

Spying
Which brings me to this week's scandal about No Such Agency spying on 'Americans.' I have difficulty ginning up much interest in this story inasmuch as I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East, and sending liberals to Guantanamo.
Live and Let Spy; December 21, 2005

Women
I think should be armed but should not vote...women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it...it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.
Comedy Central; Politically Incorrect; February 26, 2001
It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.
<20>; May 17, 2003
I think the other point that no one is making about the abuse photos is just the disproportionate number of women involved, including a girl general running the entire operation. I mean, this is lesson, you know, number 1,000,047 on why women shouldn't be in the military. In addition to not being able to carry even a medium-sized backpack, women are too vicious. (Again no violence, just a chance to spew her money-making garbage)


Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; May 5, 2004
Voting
I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote.
Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; August 17, 1997
(Didn't you try to vote in the wrong district?)


No ......... we don't need this kind of mostly hate-promoting 'speech'. We aren't stupid, we've heard it all ...... she will get away with more of her mindless vitriol, it doesn't mean she's not hated and laughed at by the majority up here and I hope she's shown it. (Non-violently, of course).

[iverglas]

15. Why do you want to defeat hate speech?

Seems kind of contradictory to me. Isn't speech just speech, just kinda neutral, no harm no foul, no basis for outlawing any of it, so obviously it doesn't hurt anyone, why get upset about it or bother doing anything at all?

Anyhow, is there some evidentiary basis to the statement The way to defeat hate speech is to argue against it using our right to free speech ?

None that I've seen.

Coulter and her crew seem to be the evidence of the exact opposite.

Or were we talking about some earthly utopia that might arrive some day if we just spend enough time "arguing against" lies and filth?

I got better things to do with my life. And the targets of the lies and filth have better things to do with theirs than be targets of lies and filth, too.

I think our present laws are probably about the best balance that can be struck. I want to live in a world where there are no Ann Coulters, but there are lots of things I'd like to be rid of that I recognize are not justifiably criminalized. Some things are, though.

[IDFbunny]

13. I hate Holocaust deniers

but support their right to publicly 'deny' it.

Is Holocaust denial an offense?
Is the DVD 'The Stoning of Soraya M' (which I just recently watched from Netflix) available in Canada?

[daleo]

11. A few of Ann's statements

If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president. It's kind of a pipe dream, it's a personal fantasy of mine...

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

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There's pages of this stuff. She has a lot of fantasies about killing (Muslims, liberals, etc).