N.Y. Mets fall to an absolutely humiliating one game below .500

[cboy4]

after losing 10-6 to the "Brew Crew" -- you know, the team the Giants were supposed to be embarrassed losing 2-of-3 to over the weekend.

It's already started. The collapse!

[Upton]

1. Check this out cboy

The Chokers have over 4 times the payroll and a worst record than the Marlins..what an embarrassment.

Chokers: 37-38 Payroll: $149,373,987

Marlins: 39-39 Payroll: $36,834,000


:hi:

[Onceuponalife]

7. You say that as if it means anything important n/t

[madinmaryland]

2. Don't forget the the Pirates are also $100 million behind the mets.

:shrug:

[Upton]

3. Yeah but the Pirates are behind the Mets in the standings

though not by much..

Chokers: 37-38 Payroll: $149,373,987

Pirates: 35-41 Payroll: $48,693,000

Yep, just over 100 million and a difference of a lousy 2 1/2 games..

[madinmaryland]

4. Do the math, Upton. It isn't even fuzzy..

$100 million and a 2.5 game lead over the Pirates. Even a team with a WS Championship in 55 years is doing better than that!

[inthebrain]

5. Lets see how smart Cboy and Upton are

and we also clearly learn why all they talk about is attendance all day long.

What do you expect the out come to be when your line up looks like this;

A. Reyes ss
D. Murphy 1b
D. Wright 3b
G. Sheffield lf
R. Church rf
F. Martinez cf
B. Schneider c
L. Castillo 2b
F. Nieve p


That was the starting lineup for the Mets last night and most of the weekend. I'd like to know where the 100 million dollar pay roll. There's only about three starters in a line-up of nine players.

Count the money. We already know Cboy ain't all that good at countin. Many his tweedel Dee (Upton) to his Tweedle Dum can count the money.

[rockymountaindem]

6. Yeah, but Wright is supposed to be so good he can carry the whole team himself

Right?

[inthebrain]

10. Who said that?

Nobody, not even Manroid Ramiroid is gonna have luck in this lineup.

Teams don't even have to pitch to Wright. Even when healthy, the 6/7/8 spots in the lineup are really weak. In this mess? He ain't gonna carry em too well. Last night they had him battin third and the guys ahead of him don't exactly get on base with regularity.

[Upton]

13. We hear it all the time from that station

that specializes in east coast bias...ESPN.

Lets compare Wright with Giants third baseman Pablo Sandoval.

Wright: .339 HR:4 RBI:40 SP:.486

Sandoval: .336 HR:11 RBI:39 SP:.568


Similar stats, with the slight edge going to the Little Panda.

But check out their salaries:

Wright: 7,750,000

Sandoval: 401,750

Wright (4 HR?) is making approximately 19 times more than what Sandoval is making. And he's protected in that lineup you put up by Gary Sheffield who's pulling in 14 million....almost 5 million more than any position player on the Giants roster.

The Mets are nothing if not overpaid...and when a team is overpaid it often fosters complacency..

[hughee99]

15. So in other words...

Sandoval is producing roughly what Wright produced in 2005 when he was still under his first contract making peanuts for his .306-27-102 season.

Given Wrights age and production, $7 million isn't really that bad if you look at players with similar stats who have been in the league a few years (long enough to get out of their Rookie contracts). Hell, Edgar Renteria is making 8 million.

[cboy4]

16. I know I voted for Pablo

And as Jon Miller and company were discussing on KNBR after the 10-0 game, if Sandoval overtakes Wright for the NL average leader, they have to pick him for the All-Star game.

Our representatives:

LINCECUM
CAIN
(possibly) WILSON
(possibly) SANDOVAL

[hughee99]

17. I think you may see Molina instead of Wilson...

Catching in the NL is pretty weak in general, and Molina is tied with Mauer for RBI's among catchers. Wilson's having a good season, but there are a number of other NL closers who are also good candidates.

[cboy4]

19. Yea, Bengie's numbers are very good compared to all NL catchers

in general, which isn't saying a lot.

But if Wilson ends the break leading the NL in saves, which is a possibility, I don't know how you leave the NL Save leader off the team.

[hughee99]

21. If he leads in saves, he's probably in.

if he doesn't, though, given his ERA compared to other closers, he's probably out.

I think Bell, K-Rod and Broxton will definitely make it, which doesn't leave a whole lot of room. If he is the leader, I don't think they can ignore him.

[inthebrain]

20. Are you actually arguing David Wright is a hump and that Sandoval

a guy who hasn't proven anything, is better?

Dude!!!

David Wright is one of the best players in the game today. You go to any fan in any city if they would give up their third basemen for Wright I think most of em would do it in heartbeat. Even in San Fran if they have any sense in their skull.

The guy is the reigning gold glove third basemen in the NL.

He was a thirty/thirty guy two years ago

He gets over 90 BBs a year.

You're bitching that he's making 7 mill a year as if that's too much? His contract is one of the best in baseball for the production. Go back to talking about attendance.

[Upton]

24. Pablo has better numbers

he and Wright are almost equal in BA and RBI but Pablo has significant leads in HR (11-4) and SP (.568-.486)..

Pablo also has a better fielding percentage than Wright (.984-.950) having committed only 2 errors in 46 games at third while Wright has coughed up 10 in 74. Sandoval is having a better year than the lily white ESPN hero and deserves to be in the All Star game.

One more thing...Wright hit 33 HR last year and 30 the year before, yet, with the season almost half over, he has but 4 this year...makes one mighty suspicious.

[inthebrain]

25. Again DAVID WRIGHT IS THE REIGNING GOLD GLOVE THIRD BASEMEN IN THE NL

He can also hit for power, average, steal bases, finishes with 90 walks a year, and wrack up RBIs. Wright DOES EVERYTHING and does it well.

You are trying to claim now that Pablo Sandoval is better than this guy?

David Wright has stated that he's not hitting for power this season. He's flat out said this many times and playing with a small ball approach at the plate. Much of that is cause he plays at citi field, the guys that hit around him are out and gets nothing but garbage thrown at him by opposing pitchers. Rarely does he ever get anything in the strike zone.

With all that HE LEADS THE NL IN BATTING AVG RIGHT NOW.

Opposing pitchers do not care to walk this guy right now. The Mets lineup has nothing but inconsistent and poor contact hitters in it right now.

You lost what little credibility you had left with this garbage.

[cboy4]

29. Why didn't you address Upton's point about Wright's very suspicious

reduction in power?

[inthebrain]

32. I did

Stop whining because you can't read.

Pablo is no where in league with David Wright. If you think he is you're smoking some major crack.

[cboy4]

33. I would say I was playing small ball too if I were getting off the juice.

Not saying he juiced.

Just saying it's mighty suspicious.

[inthebrain]

34. Go get help

Really.

Do yourself a favor.

[cboy4]

36. You're truly an embarrassment

The go get help comment is always the white flag in any debate.

You fail. Just like your team. :thumbsdown:

[inthebrain]

41. In other words, you get the a lot in response to your absurd nonsense

Generally it just means your arguments are irrelevant and a waste of time

[cboy4]

43. Yea, I get it from people who are out of their league when it comes to

challenging my knowledge of just about anything, especially sports.

I realize what I say makes you angry, which is why I intentionally go directly for your throat.

That makes you furious, because you can't compete with my come backs to your ridiculous wordy and inaccurate posts and you throw a fit.

I completely understand. It's the type of low life behavior I is par for the course on any given night at Shea Stadium or whatever it's called.

Loud mouth New York know it alls. YES INDEED.

We talk about you on the West Coast.

[inthebrain]

44. Ok smart guy

please provide evidence that Wright is on the juice.

[cboy4]

45. I didn't say he is. I don't have any proof Johnny Damon is either.

But drastic swings in power makes one think.

That's all I'm saying.

And you have the right to be defensive over any insinuation of something being up.

But telling me to seek help?

That's weak.

It's a fair suspicion.

If you don't know by now I like pushing your buttons, I don't know what else to say.

[Forkboy]

46. "It's a fair suspicion."

Here's another fair suspicion, one that gets your knickers in a twist every time.

[cboy4]

48. Exactly. An Onion report.

Because that's where all of the Barry steroid allegations belong.

[Forkboy]

49. Hey, drastic swings in power makes one think.

It's a fair suspicion.

Hypocritcal, repub-like rationalization why your suspicions are ok and others aren't in 3..2..1...

[cboy4]

50. Yea, of course Bonds' power numbers increased....He gained a lot of

strength from his weight training program.

And of course they tapered off .. he wasn't getting any younger.

It's so easy to explain. I don't know why you people don't get that.

[Forkboy]

51. The defense rests.

:rofl:

[cboy4]

52. I know. All of their "evidence" has been thrown out onto the street

by wonderful U.S. district judge Susan Illston

[Forkboy]

53. The defense rests once more.

:rofl:

[Onceuponalife]

8. .....

:nopity:

[cboy4]

9. Yes, that's rights, only the Mess, as I call them, have injuries.

Why absolutely no other team but New York struggles through injuries.

I hope the team is paying you well for being their chief apologist. :nopity:

[inthebrain]

11. You're not a very inquisitive mind

Here's who each of the National League's best teams -- by record -- would have to forfeit if they suffered injuries similar to the Mets. Since this is quick-and-dirty, I just took the top-four players by 2009 OPS.

•Phillies: Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Jayson Werth, (Raul Ibanez, owner of the Phillies' best OPS, is actually hurt).
•Dodgers: Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Orlando Hudson
•Brewers: Ryan Braun, Rickie Weeks, Mike Cameron
•Cardinals: Skip Schumaker, Colby Rasmus, Brendan Ryan (bleah, their lineup is terrible)
•Giants: Aaron Rowand, Fred Lewis, Travis Ishikawa (almost as bad as St. Louis)
•Marlins: Cody Ross, Dan Uggla, Jorge Cantu
For kicks, here are the Yankees and Red Sox:

•Yankees: Johnny Damon, Nick Swisher, Jorge Posada
•Red Sox: Jason Bay, J.D. Drew, Jason Varitek
All of these teams would be knee-deep in guano if they lost what the Mets have, and we haven't even gotten into the pitching staff.

[joeybee12]

14. The Red Sox already have Dice-K, Lowell, Youkalis, and Smoltz...

...on the DL for a long period of time this season thus far.

[inthebrain]

18. Smoltz is not rally a major loss

Youk played last night.

Really, you take Youkilis, Pedroia and Bay out of that lineup and they are gonna struggle just like the Mets are now. That's pretty much what the Mets are dealing with lineup wise with Delgado, Reyes and Beltran out. and the Mets are not going without these guys for a few weeks. We are talking about 1-3 months. Delgado is out till early August at best.

Couple that with the Mets pitching having Maine, Perez and Putz out.

The fact that our manager is an ass doesn't help things either. Jerry Manuel falt out told the press that he's mismanged the Pen (someone should mention to him about the starters as well. Who in the right mind send Redding back out when he's up to 95 pitches in the seventh?)

In all my years watching the Mets I don't think I've ever encountered anything like this. I've been following em since about 1980.

[hughee99]

22. Speaking of Manuel...

what the fuck was K-rod doing throwing a strike to Jeter with Rivera on deck? Manuel should have been holding up 4 fingers before Jeter got to the plate.

[inthebrain]

27. We all have the Jerry Manuel countdown going right now

LOL

Each game we are praying it's his last.

That guy along just with his mismanagement of the starting rotation (Lets not even talk about the pen) has cost this team ten games easily.

Minaya I can't get with. Great job to bolster the pen but he refuses to anything to give this team a chance right now. Milledge is available from Washington and I can't fathom why he isn't doing anything to reaquire this guy. Beltran now looks done for the year and FMart is struggeling to hit his own weight. I'd grab Milledge, put him in center and have Fmart come in as a defensive replacement later in the game.

Manuel and Minaya are both terribel.

I'd take Grady Little over Manuel right now. It's that bad.

[joeybee12]

23. I think it's too soon to tell about Smoltz...essentially he's going through

his April like all the picthers have to.

[inthebrain]

28. I always thought Smoltz was brought in to Boston

on a wing and a prayer.

I don't think he was brought in to win 15-20 games by virtue of ERA alone. More or less to pitch just well enough to give the Sox a chance to win and let the offense and defense do the rest.

He's a good fifth starter but I wouldn't count on anything from his glory days coming back. Good signing by the Sox but definitly not a lights out pitcher anymore.

[joeybee12]

31. True...they got a good deal and he's only #5 now because Dice-K

is horrendous!

[inthebrain]

35. I haven't really been following the Sox that much this year

I ussually hit about 6-10 games a year.

With the NHL draft and the cup finals that just wrapped up I haven't had a lot of time.

I had no idea that Dice K was struggeling.

[joeybee12]

37. Lost his first game, went on the DL, came back, won a game but gave up about

20 hits in doing so, lost 3 more games, went on DL again...supposedly his shoulder, I say its his head.

[Upton]

12. Well..for one thing

Gary Sheffield, is making a cool 14 million this year..

Oh, BTW..:nopity:

[1gobluedem]

26. But how's the attendance at home and on the road?

Isn't that the only measure of a good team? :shrug:

[cboy4]

30. No it's not the only measure, but it's an important factor of course.

You know, like how the Mets routinely do not sell out their new home stadium.

In fact, the Mets are only playing in front of 93.2% of capacity.

I know the Giants played in front of 100% their first year in a new stadium.

Yet another black eye for the horrible Mets.

[1gobluedem]

38. Only 93.2% capacity??????

In the worst recession since the Depression in a city with two major league teams? WHAT? 6.8% of the stadium sits empty?

I say pull the plug on the franchise, RIGHT THIS MINUTE. That's disgraceful.


<:sarcasm: >

[cboy4]

39. The only plug that needs to be pulled has been .. and that's the plug

on the Mets' playoff hopes.

[MrSlayer]

40. Amazingly, as piss poor as the Phillies have been playing we're still 3 games up.

Because the Mets have been even worse, not an easy feat.

[inthebrain]

42. We can't fill a lineup

and freakin Jerry Manuels stupidity is a major source of rot in the locker room.

It appears the Phillies have the better Manuel.

LOL

I hope they fire Manuel and find a way to bring back Bobby V.

[Forkboy]

47. This thread is pure win. A bunch of fans of sucky teams arguing over who sucks less.

:rofl:

[ProfessorGAC]

54. This Cub Fan Is Staying Out Of It

My team stinks and i know it. How bad someone else stinks doesn't change the smell of the 2009 Cubs.
GAC

[trumad]

55. LOL---LOL---LOL

Dude--- this thread is Cboy at his best doucheness....

An increased burst of power with other players---- awww they must be juicing---- according to Cboy---the expert on steroids....

An increased burst of power for old man Bonds---er---30 additional homers in a season---increased head and foot size---etc... but that's all due to weightlifting..... according to Cboy, an expert on weightlifting...

Dude---it's exactly like arguing with a repub... You can catch them in their hypocrisy with little effort and when you do, they could care less because the Kool-Aid runs deep into their blood.

[madinmaryland]

56. +1

Amazing isn't. Kind of like the Orioles victory last night!!

[Forkboy]

57. That really was amazing.

Glad I went to bed at 7 instead of watching it. The Orioles do well against Boston it seems anyways, and that's an amazing comeback. Hats off to the birds for that one.

[Captain Hilts]

58. It's early. nt