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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:14 PM
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Frig It. I'm Going to Post These Here For Y'all to Rip At.
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 01:47 PM by WritingIsMyReligion
First up is a longish poem I've been working on for a while, now, off and on. I've changed it many times, and though it fits, it still somehow....doesn't. It's very rambling, I think, and most likely still needs to be pruned, but whatever.

To preface, a "bodhisattva" is from Buddhism--a figure who could be freed into Nirvana but chooses not to, chooses instead to stay on earth and help others reach enlightenment as well. This poem is written to/for a beloved ex-teacher of mine.


A Fledgling's Homage to Bodhisattva
(By WIMR)

I started to examine that soul-tapestry of mine just the other day,
Finding in it lost, sometimes forgotten phantoms of others who are
Now reincarnated as essential threads, somehow, in this oft-tangled
Web of humanity and vitality that I dare to refer to as what my life is.

There are a million different, phantasmagoric colors that I can find
Twining, vine-like, around one another in this clumsily woven map that
Is supposed to help show to the lost me who it is, exactly, that I am, but
Few colors in the tangle seem to be so eternally prevalent as yours.

Seeing that irrepressible trace of you, woven here with such tenderness,
Makes me remember, vividly, how powerful and gripping a hold you
Once unconsciously had on my blazing, yearning, foolish youth--
The first compass arrow I chose to follow, the first anchor I didn’t fight.

Laughing days of golden naïveté, somber nights of uncertain thought--
All that was me as one of your larking, wayward, wanton fledglings--
Show here in these revealing threads of yours that I still sometimes
Only want to hold on to, as a pathetic-hearted waif, never letting go of.

Memories of innocent, lighthearted humor, which would later be kissed
With more autumnal, bitter, sour-appled sarcasm of Fagen and Becker,
Abound here in these twisting threads, alongside the gentle ghosts of my
Inexplicable rushes of instinctive camaraderie for the figure of you.

Bodhisattva, an oriental idol, I think of you now as, for in sacrificing
Much of your sanity to strengthen our young, unfledged wings for flight,
In taking our lives in as part of your own tapestry, you have earned
More keys to nirvana, and the precious duality of Buddha’s atman…

And as I begin first trembling flights, clinging on in capricious thermals, I
Think of you, both kept on the earth forever by his sextet of Perfections
And yet already so far beyond where most others will ever learn to fly—-
No one I have ever met is an honest human quite as you are, Bodhisattva.

Your hearty roses of memory bloom in this garden that you have begun,
While dizzying trumpet-notes spiral for miles into the cloak of night—-
Everything smells of spring’s promise, and summer’s richness, and
Is autumn’s fullest harvest I could ever have dreamt—-and yet it was real.

To this place better than Eden I keep returning, because as long as your
Soul nurtures these narcotic roses, and revives this robust jazz, I know
That I have some place to which I may come and collect myself when
Society sends its tranquilizing barbs to drug my drifting bohemian soul.

And from time to time wanderer I will fly away, on quixotic odysseys
That I never try to justify to others, and I will always carry a twinge of
Regret with me that borrows your semblance--but I will eventually drift
Back, led by your threads in my tapestry, with a thousand yarns to tell my

Bodhisattva.

**************************************************************************

The other selection is also a poem, also longish, written just today, frigged around with some but still obviously in need of work. It's basically supposed to be, oh, I don't know, about a teacher-student tryst? Something like that. I was bored, and I had this image of two drunken people sprawled in bed, dripping in sweat and stale wine... :D

Wine, Sweat, and Sophistication
(Also by WIMR ;))

It was rather like the time,
when I was smaller and of similarly
crippling naïveté, that I thought to
take out dusty bottles of my
parents, and drink like an adult:

the wine would burn down
my throat, and slop uselessly
down my front, and I would really
have no choice but to laugh at
how people called this

sophistication.

Well, now the rotten grapes still
tasted as deliciously awful as they ever
had, but their headiness, their
potency was magnified by the twisted,
sweet stench of your sweat,

the carnal sweat that rolled, like
acid, down my lips,
bruised from yours, and came
to rest, burning, between
my breasts—-we thought it all such

sophistication.

And perhaps it could have
been as cool as the jazz seeping all
around, except for the soured
wine on your breath, that made me turn
aside and glimpse her picture there,

on the dresser—-so that I remembered
the ring you tossed aside, as if
it were nothing, for our truly
illegal tryst, and I knew I
wanted no part more in your lovely

sophistication.

But still I lay there, on her
sheets, in our sweat, trying not to
think of her sweat mingling
with the expensive thread count, trying
to just lose myself—-and I knew how:

all I had to do was try a
bit of your beloved wine, sitting right
there next to you, so I asked,
and you poured me a glass, with
the reminder that it was the height of

sophistication.

And in the Bacchanalia that
followed, the wine helped me to forget
such immaterial things as age of
consent laws, so that you could
teach me one more thing;

you used your great nakedness to
help me relive ancient
sex rites, like those you mentioned
in history class the day before,
and how people called them

sophistication.

It was supposed to be something
of ecstasy, and you made
me gasp and groan with shock at
your prodigious skill, at how
your fingers worked so well,

so I was glad to lay there and
let you betray her, let you
grind me into the bed
with all the others you must have
taken, under the delusion of

sophistication.

When later you began your drunken
snores, I was still wide awake, drinking
wine and sweat, mine and
yours, and thinking some,
about my sweet sixteen the day before,

about what a fitting present
you had just given to me—-the
ability to see how all the sweaty gray
temples in the world couldn’t
really make any guy know about

sophistication.

****************************************************

Have fun tearing them to pieces and pointing out all my silliness!

:D

WIMR

On Edit: Revised a line in "Sophistication" after a suggestion by CMW.... See post #1
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:41 PM
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1. You have a wonderful, powerful line in there:
"drinking wine and sweat" (Kill the 'both' though, it's an unneeded filler and it destroys the rythm.) I know your age, and I enjoy reading your poems and hope you'll walk further this path.

I also know that you love Jazz - think of Jazz when you write; of a very essential, basic Jazz. One tone can carry the world. Condense. And walk your path. :hi:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:45 PM
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2. Yes, condensing is good for the soul.
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 01:45 PM by WritingIsMyReligion
:D

It's something I'm very poor at, since I'm such a rambling lack-wit half the time when it comes to poetry....Longer works are much more my thing.

I've written many poems on jazz, if you can believe that one. Some are all right; some really, truly suck. :D It's a surprisingly constant inspirer, though.

Yes, looking back, I can see that the "both" probably deserves the axe....

Thank you oodles and oodles, my foriegn friend!

;)
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:20 PM
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8. Thank you.
I need to write again. I just posted an old short story here for the first time ...
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:24 PM
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9. Let me go find it, then....
;)

:hug:
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:55 PM
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3. In a word: Brava!
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:57 PM
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4. Thanka!
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 02:09 PM by WritingIsMyReligion
I LOVE it when people actually change it to brava. Shows some brains between the ears. ;)

On Edit: Damned fingers can't type efficiently...
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:04 PM
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5. You have a wonderful future ahead of you, Young Lady!
Accept no substitutes! :)
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:09 PM
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6. Yeah, I guess...
;)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:20 PM
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7. These are wonderful, my dear WIMR........
I truly like them both....

I do think the first has glimpses of genius in it.....

Let it rest awhile, and then see if you can condense it just a bit.....

The second is very wonderful! Your eroticism is spot-on, esp. for one so young....

I no longer have any fears that your reading my work (The Game) will harm you in any way!

Keep 'em coming!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:28 PM
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10. It's funny.....
When I was writing "Bodhisattva" I kept getting these ultra lucid glimpses...I'd write something down--some line, some description--and get this "Oooooohhhhhh....That's crystal!" feeling. I've never really had that happen before in poetry. It feels like it could still be worked. I like that feeling. ;)

My eroticism is spot-on.....LOL! :rofl: That's funny, funny, funny, considering I have zippo first-hand experience. :rofl::rofl:

I looked for "The Game" but couldn't find it...Do you have a link, perchance? ;) ;)

Thankya kindly, m'dear!

:loveya:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:38 PM
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11. Here's the link! Enjoy.......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=216&topic_id=2826&mesg_id=2826

The crystal feeling you describe I think is your muse, or something like that.....and you're in touch with it!

Those moments are rare, but definitely worth-while!

:loveya:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:48 PM
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12. I did enjoy it.
A few things my sharp eyes noticed, but everyone else picked them all up. Nothing more for me to say!

Good job!

:yourock:

I like my crystal moments. I have many more of them writing novel/short story stuff than I do writing poetry. ;) I like wielding charcters.
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miss_american_pie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:31 PM
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13. Hey you
Aside from the fact that I am creeped out thinking you are two young to have written the sceond one so well...

Both are really, truly good. Don't ever silence your voice.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 10:48 AM
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14. Howdy-doody!
:hi:

Thank you! I write as a human, not as a 14-year-old....Though I happen to be a 14-year-old. :D

(Or something deeply philosophical like that ;))
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-28-06 05:21 PM
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15. They're both wonderful.
I'm not a literary critic, but that's my opinion, as a fellow teenage amateur (?) writer.
:yourock:
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Derailer Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 04:00 PM
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16. I felt
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 04:00 PM by Derailer
that terminology like "illegal", and "age of consent laws" ruined some of the atmoshphere of the second poem. Your topic is far to grand to sully with mundanities like legalese

IMO
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:18 PM
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17. there are certain buzzwords in poetry
that you can sometimes eliminated and figure out a different way to say the same thing. Look at eliminating words like "I", "of", "that" and "and." Not necessarily all of them, but if you read your work, then find yourself saying those over and over again, it becomes redundant and kills the pace of your work. Ok, so take the beginning of your second poem.

>>It was rather like the time,
when I was smaller and of similarly
crippling naïveté, that I thought to
take out dusty bottles of my
parents, and drink like an adult:

the wine would burn down
my throat, and slop uselessly
down my front, and I would really
have no choice but to laugh at
how people called this

sophistication.<<

In the second and third lines you could say that differently. For example:

It was rather like the time,
when I was smaller, of similarly
crippling naïveté, which I thought to <<

than in the next stanza you could also use a different approach to the second line:


the wine would burn down
my throat, slopping uselessly
down my front, and I would really...


Also be wary of starting a poem with "It" or using "it" in pretty much anything. When you do that make sure you define what "It" is. Starting off a poem - or prose too - with "It" is implying a reader should know something they have not been introduced to yet.



Last of all, find muscular ways to say something. Instead of walking, for example, think of something that has an image. Like "skulking" gives an image, for example. Look at verbs and give them some pop, such as "sitting," laying" etc. What can you do to make them sound more muscular and give an image? "Reclining" gives and image, right? Or "slouching." "Drinking" could become "guzzling." You can find little ways to give an image like that.

Ok, I said last of all, but I lied. You can look at the world through certain prisms, most of all your own. However, you were writing both about a student-teacher tryst and a personal homage. Each time you used your view, which is the first person. I would like to see you go back and remove yourself from say the second one. Look at it differently, as an outsider and not a participant. Try not using "I" even once. It will round out your skills. Challenge yourself though. Read other poets and see how they write about activities in which they are not a character in. Emulate that.

You're good, for sure. I'm published and I was not nearly as good when I was your age at writing in general. The keys are to read everything you can, practice all the time, hone technique and challenge yourself. Make it hard, attempt work you would never think to approach. You'll find your voice and you will find your style. About all any teacher can do is point you in the proper direction. Writer's are not taught to be writers. Nor are most of them born. Writer's may have certain gifts, for sure, but a great writer will become a great writer because they are willing to take their talents, mold them and become the best that they can be. It's like anything. Work hard and you will get there.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 01:00 PM
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18. Wow--a shitload of advice, and it's all good!
I didn't know anybody had revived this old thread! Thank you very much! That's good information. :D :D

Poetry is not actually my choice medium in writing--I usually prefer rambling journaling or becoming invested in a very long-term assignment like a novel.

But now I think I shall have to go back and mess around with that second one. Uh-oh....

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 12:06 PM
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19. yes somebody did resurrect it
I never would have read it if they didn't. :) Good thing.

Yeah, I'm more of a rambling prose type myself. :)
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jadedconformist Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:53 PM
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20. Loved it...thanks. n/t
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 04:36 PM
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21. Hey there
I'm not a big poetry reader so my criticisms would be totally ignorant. I do know that I enjoyed the visual element of the tapestry, and identifying the various warps and wefts. The second one reminded me of one of my favorate Dido songs..."When you're stoned and I am drunk...we make love...it seems a little desolate.." (or something like that!)

Some phrases that spoke to me:

"the wine would burn down my throat..."
"twisted sweet stench of your sweat..."
"under the delusion of sophistication"



And a question... "make any guy really know..." ect., is your point that all men are clueless, or just this particular loser?

tg
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