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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:18 PM
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"He's an S.O.B., but he's our S.O.B."
The thing about that cold-war sound-bite is that a typical dictator client of the USSR was often implementing some soviet-style policies. Why should America give benefits to one-party states without any strings attached? Should the principle of self-determination of nation-states be taken to mean "the nation-state is the one and only legal political party"? That sounds like a minor variation of "the state is me", famously asserted by a French aristocrat.

Typically, if a government either is designated as meriting most favored nation status for trade, or receives a stream of money paid by American taxpayers, then can we be confident that it's a government that at least...

  • doesn't abridge the freedom of speech of its citizens
  • doesn't interfere with the right of the people peaceably to assemble
  • and doesn't prevent or punish the petitioning by citizens to their government for a redress of grievances?

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:25 PM
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1. Sort of a light shade of aquamarine...
Gonna kick this one every day for a week too?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:06 PM
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4. No, this forum isn't as fast-moving as GD.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:25 AM
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7. Or a whiter shade of pale...
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:14 AM
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8. Hey, thanks for the kick!
:patriot:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 07:21 AM
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9. Why, you're quite welcome!
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:21 PM
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10. Kick
It seems like yesterday, doesn't it?
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:38 PM
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2. Louis XIV
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 07:48 PM by existentialist
edited for clarification

Louis XIV said "I am the state." ("Le Etat se moi.")

I think it was FDR who said "He's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:06 PM
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5. Thank you.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 09:28 PM
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6. "L'etat, c'est moi" is attributed to Louis XIV
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:39 PM
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3. Kick
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