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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:06 AM
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DU This Poll: Would the Founding Fathers approve religious icons in govt
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TheHistoryNet Poll

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?


Poll Results
Total Votes: 3173

Approve: 58%

Disapprove: 35%

Don't Know: 6%
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:12 AM
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1. Thanks
:kick: This poll needs a dose of reality.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:15 AM
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2. 3209 - still 58 / 35
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:16 AM by ellenfl
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:26 AM
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3. It's moved a point
A: 57%
D: 36%

But, still a long way to go!
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CaliTeacher Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:29 AM
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4. Come on...
Not much room for grey area in that question. Obviously some would have, and some wouldn't have. There are plenty of strong quotes out there from the founding fathers that show some of them thought religion had a place in government and some thought it didn't. Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and certainly Thomas Paine were for a strong separation between the two.
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:36 AM
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5. And yet, look at the symbolism on paper money.
Or was that past founding parents time?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:50 AM
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7. And just what is the religious significance of the all-seeing eye
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 10:53 AM by NCevilDUer
and the pyramid, to Christians?

I don't know what the earliest paper had on it, but the motto of "E Pluribus Unum" predates "In God We Trust" by more than a hundred years. IGWT wasn't used on any currency before the 1862 2cent piece and wasn't put on all currency until, I believe, 1954.

ON EDIT

You'd think that a poll of history buffs would better reflect reality.

EDIT AGAIN

The paper on the siege of Jerusalem at that site is fascinating.
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:59 AM
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9. A lot of history buffs are into war history
and not really into the political and social issues that either surround the wars or occur without war. So, those folks could easily ignore the reality of our history.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 11:13 AM
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10. Good point.
I have a co-worker who can disect every battle of the Civil War and point out exactly what minor change would have given the battle, and the war, to the south; a result he seems to devoutly wish for.

Not a clue as to what started the war, what the war was about, or what the country would be like now if the south had won.

Needless to say, he's a virulent pro-bush freeper.
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:36 PM
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15. I don't think the poster asked about specific religions.
Or did I misread the thread?
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Ysolde Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:37 AM
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6. You're right...
but we still shouldn't let the black & white of the question obliterate the fact that our Founders fled state-imposed religion and I don't think the majority of them would be pleased with the current state of affairs.

And, welcome to DU! :hi:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 10:51 AM
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8. It has moved
Total Votes: 3494

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 53%

Disapprove: 41%

Don't Know: 5%


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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:35 PM
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11. let's keep this kicked. The votes are improving...
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 02:36 PM by IanDB1
I'm thinking of cross-posting it in another group.

Total Votes: 3827

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 51%

Disapprove: 43%

Don't Know: 5%

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:01 PM
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12. Done.
Twice actually, I'm using both Mozilla and Opera right now.

Total Votes: 4694

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?


Approve: 45%

Disapprove: 49%

Don't Know: 4%


We're gaining.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:07 PM
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13. Cool. I don't think their polls have ever been DU'ed before.
Wonder what they're thinking?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:31 PM
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14. I always make sure I
go a different route so that they don't know where I've been.

I'm trying to understand why the yes percentage is so high.

Since when is real history an interest of the devout ?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:34 AM
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16. 46% approve, 49% Disapprove
Thanks for voting!
Total Votes: 4878

Do you believe America's founding fathers would approve or disapprove of the display of religious monuments in government facilities?

Approve: 46%

Disapprove: 49%

Don't Know: 4%
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