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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:45 AM
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How Was Clinton Impeached And This Asswipe Not?
I am dead serious about this.

Almost a decade ago the country was in a Republican-lead uproar over the personal misdeeds of President Clinton. Nothing of national import was at stake, the Constitution had not been insulted. The economy was healthy even though Ken Star was wasting tens of millions of dollars on the ceaseless expansion of a minor investigation of suspected impropriety by the Clintons - an investigation which was finding nothing of importance.

Today we have a toad in the White House. Affronts to our Constitution would be described as treasonous in any other time are revealed daily. The Congress has been usurped of its power, the Court is packed with flunkies. The privacy of every single living American has been breeched and there is no end in sight. The nation's middle class have been abandoned to the rapists of business. Industry has fled our shores in the never ending search for cheaper labor concurrent with the rupture of our borders and the resultant flood of labor not quite cheap enough for it. All of this gone ignored while real laws are broken and real lives are lost. Two thousand five hundred twenty four (2,524) dead American soldiers as of this morning in a war which never should have been. Over one hundred thousand Iraqis dead with no end in sight.

What is the horror of impeachment? Why the fear of it? If there was ever a need for impeachment it is now. The damage being done by this President and his administration continues. He has not stopped and he will not stop so long as he is in office. We have the tool at our disposal to end this national - and certainly international as well - disgrace.

It is simply unconscionable that Clinton was impeached by Bush not.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:48 AM
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1. Three Words: REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 07:49 AM by noahmijo
It baffles me how to this day Freepers won't believe that Clinton spent only two years with what was pretty much a split Congress-for the rest of the 6 years he was in office (and still to this day) we had a Republican controlled Congress.

That's right. Since 1994 we have had a REPUBLICAN controlled Congress.

That's 12 years of REPUBLICAN control. They can spew all the bullshit they want about how Clinton wrecked the country-he was barely able to put through a quarter of reforms he wanted to see put through due to the 12 YEARS OF REPUBLICAN CONTROL OVER THE CONGRESS.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:04 AM
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7. Absolutely correct. It was Nixon's misfortune that he faced a
Democratic-controlled Congress.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:24 AM
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11. But it was the Republicans
Edited on Tue Jun-27-06 09:25 AM by never_get_over_it
that marched to the White House and told Nixon to give it up - Republicans with integrity - who put country before party - those Republicans are nonexistant now replaced with rePUNKS who dont' give a SHIT about this country....which is why even if we take back control of the House and the Senate and we successfully impeach this pathetic ass hole he will NOT BE REMOVED from office because we will NEVER find enough rePUNKS to reach the two thirds needed to remove him.

know why I call them rePUNKS - because of those FREAKS from Delay's office and where ever they came from who went down to Miami and pounded on the doors during the Gore recount - I will NEVER get the image of those FUCKING PUNKS out of my mind and since that day I have called them rePUNKS because that is what they all are a bunch of pathetic bullying PUNKS. Have I said how much I hate these people.....
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:12 AM
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19. Wish somebody had given them a GOOD spanking.
(I need an emoticon for :understatement: here)


"because of those FREAKS from Delay's office and where ever they came from who went down to Miami and pounded on the doors during the Gore recount -"
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:50 PM
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32. And lest we forget who was in that mob:
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:49 AM
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2. Because
The Republicans are the majority in Congress, they were in control then and they are in control now.

That's it plain and simple.

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:50 AM
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3. I would like to hear an explanation of that very thing
there is none, no credible one anyway
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:07 AM
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18. No justifiable reason,
but the explanation is credible.

It's just that it does not fit the commonly accepted world view (being that we live in a democracy, and that the media are objective).

see post #13 and #17
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:52 AM
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4. 'Cause the Grand Oil Party (GOP) controls EVERYTHING!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:59 AM
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5. Note to Helen Thomas...
Q for Bush:


"Mr. President, If you are ever in a position where you are
facing allegations of improper conduct relating to Crimes
Against Humanity; would you consider giving up your (Presidential)
Immunity, as President Clinton did?"

Of course, Ms Thomas would never get past the word 'allegations'
before she was muckled by the SS...BUT, it's nice to think of her
popping the question heard round the world.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:01 AM
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6. SEX is BAD! - Lies and other criminal activity is OK
All we need is for someone to give this asshole a blow job with a blue dress and then we can demand impeachment
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:56 AM
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8. clinton had a blow job - and bush spies who wanted him out of the WH.
george didn't get a blow job and his poppy wants him to occupy the white house.

this sounds like it is not a serious answer--but believe me, it is!

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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:00 AM
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9. Under what specific charge would he be impeached?
The problem other than a rep controlled house, would be what specific illegal act is he to be charged with? Lying to congress, the people etc. while unethical is not technically illegal.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:14 AM
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10. Actually, lying to congress is a violation of his oath of office, and
grounds for impeachment all by itself.

"I swear to uphold and defend the constitution..."

The impeachment charges are that he is deliberately undercutting the constitution (1st, 4th, 14th amendments). The proof of those charges would come out in the hearings.

Impeachment is not conviction - impeachment is the leveling of the charges.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:02 AM
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16. Here are a few to get started...
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr003=p0ak7mgub1.app7b&page=NewsArticle&id=5054&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=1061

"1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court."

Lots of war crimes, crimes against humanity, violations of federal laws, violations of treaty obligations, usurpation of the authority granted under the Constitution to the other branches, etc. etc. etc.


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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:34 PM
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28. Thanx for the repost... Also I believe the RICO ACT would be enforceable
against these treasonous sycophants.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:35 AM
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12. Clinton's impeachment was Republican led, yet many
Democrats in the House went along with it. Today, the Democrats who want to impeach Bush can't get enough Republicans to start an investigation.

Lesson learned: Republicans are loyal to the Republican Party. If Bush boiled and ate a puppy in public no one would cross him. That's the difference.

I hope in the future Democrats learn a lesson and don't be so happy to join with the Republicans on these kinds of actions.
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TheGreatUnwashed Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:52 AM
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13. Media is the key
The neocon have kept any investigation into Bush from going forward. This stone-walling has not been picked up by the media. With only one part holding power, only the media or the voters have the ability to affect change.

The best way to change the balance of power:
1. Support media criticism
2. Vote
3. Work to raise the level of debate
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:03 AM
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17. Media owned by big capital republicans, to be precise
The fact that Clinton was impeached for something that wasn't a big deal to the public, while Bush can just continue raping the Constitution in spite of being the most unpopular president ever, clearly shows who's really in power; it's definately not "the people".
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pointblank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:55 AM
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14. Don't forget to add to the list:
That an American city was nearly wiped off the map by a hurricane that should have been better prepared for and was predicted and we had AMERICAN citizens living in third world conditions for weeks due to the gross negligence and incompetence of this administration.



That is all
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:01 AM
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15. No need to ask that question this time next year. (n/t)
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:14 AM
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20. You know, every DAY when I read the articles/postings at DU about
Chimpolini's latest outrage against the American People, our Constitution, and World Peace, I ask myself the same thing..HOW???
HOW is this being allowed to continue?
Screw Congress; IMNSHO, the majority of it's members are just as culpable as Bush.
Why do WE THE PEOPLE allow this train wreck of a human being and his corrupt cronies to stay in power?
Those who think that the upcoming mid-term elections aren't going to be just as farcical as the '04 election are delusional.
Thomas Jefferson in his infinite wisdom knew 2 centuries ago, what we are just beginning to figure out: a little revolution every now and again is necessary to the survival of a great Democracy.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:32 AM
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21. he was re-'elected', that's how.
i don't want to start a diebold subthread.

but the fucker was re-elected in a divisive, demeaning campaign that insulted the intelligence of any american who can read a newspaper. bush, or rove if you prefer, as much as i hate his fucking guts, is an effective politician. he beat kerry. he squelched the TANG story, and he kept his fingerprints off the swiftboats. that is effective, bare knuckle politics that treats the american public as if they're angry 8 year old boys. apparently, you can't underestimate the intelligence of the american public.

he will finish his term. a democrat will come in and put everything back in order, all the while being assaulted by the corporate media, then another republican, jeb probably, will come back in on an anti tax platform, and opposition to some subgroup, probably wiccans by then, and wreck it.

pray for the oil to run out. the old order must end, and its going to hurt.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:55 AM
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22. I don't wish to start a Diebold sub-thread, either. However, I
respectfully disagree with your assertion that WE THE PEOPLE elected Bush in '04.
He is, therefore, nothing but a usurper and fraud, and I suspect may be deranged, to boot.
He is precisely what many of the participants in the 'original' Revolution were astutely prescient enough to warn us about.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:20 AM
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24. hence the quotations around 'elected'
he is better at being venal than any politician we've seen since the 1800s. there is no depth to which he will not sink.

nevertheless, he is the president until january 2009. dems would need both houses of congress to pull it off. which will not happen.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:24 AM
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26. ..Which is why Tom Jefferson's remedy seems so righteous. n/t
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:05 AM
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23. It was so damn depressing to hear Feingold on MTP
the other day saying the chimp should be censured, but not impeached, even though he believes chimp has committed impeachable offenses.



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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:21 AM
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25. Because they control the House, Senate, Bench, and Media?
:shrug:
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:37 AM
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27. Here's my favorite sign again:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:44 PM
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30. There are some rumblings going on in the Tabloids..
rumor has it, Laura is aware of the ongoing affair w/Condi Rice and has threatened divorce.
And Bush is back to drinking heavily and knocking Laura around.

Notice today, Bush is not the ole jogger anymore. He was forced to jog with an amputee from Iraq.
The photo-op was clearly stilted. Bush was very uncomfortable in the company of a US soldier he
helped get his legs blown off. I was proud to see the soldier publicly humiliate (in his face) the man responsible
for his disability
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:40 PM
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29. Clinton was impeached for lying on the witness stand.
Bush can't be impeached, because Congress is to CHICKENSHIT to make either criminal fucker (Bush/Cheney) swear in before giving testimony! Can you IMAGINE the outrage at Clinton, if he would have demanded no swearing in before testimony? There would have been no evidence for impeachment! This is how the GOP does business; hammer at Dems with a very loose interpretation of the law, but go easy and make sure there is an 'out' for fellow GOPers under 'testimony'.

It is a sick system that is falling apart due to greed and graft.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:46 PM
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31. SIMPLE Repukes own all the machinery and they don't give
a flying fuck about America, American thoughts, American representation, American ideas, American anything, let alone a fucking criminal occupation of the Whitehouse.
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