What if a Kucinich/Paul ticket could actually win?

[endarkenment]

Would that be a bad thing?

I realize this is a hypothetical that is vastly improbable, but if in fact Kucinich managed to win the nomination, and if it turned out that the strongest ticket he could put together used Paul to pull in the right-libertarian vote from the Republican voting base along with Kucinich himself bringing in the left-progressive vote from the Democratic base, and between the two that resulted in an electoral victory for a Kucinich/Paul ticket, with Kucinich in the top post, what would be wrong with it?

[TwilightGardener]

1. All the fringe-vote people will have one-stop shopping. Other than that, it's a novelty act.

[fascisthunter]

8. "fringe voters"

I see, denigrate the voters so others don't vote for either candidate? Does that help? Who are you voting for? Obama? If so, you aren't helping your candidate.

[TwilightGardener]

9. I'm not trying to "help my candidate", I'm just calling it as I see it.

I consider both men to be fringe candidates. They do not have popular support, despite the internet frenzy for both men. That's reality. It's not a slam on people who like them--I have nothing against people who buck the popular tide and vote purely on principle. But the fact is, both guys are on the margins of their parties, and will never win their respective nominations.

[fascisthunter]

13. You State OPINION as "Reality"

You may not be aware of this, but your post comes off as arrogant and condescending. Your intent to denigrate voters and these two candidates is pretty clear. I'm sure Obama would reject such a thing, since he is trying to win votes.

[TwilightGardener]

16. My opinion IS my reality. That's the way I see it--sorry if I didn't add the "IMO" after my comment

[Whisp]

46. it's the establishment that considers Kucinich fringe.

how can what he stands for be called that when this is what america is asking for - real americans are asking for change, not the corporate slime, they want to keep things the same and they will certainly get it if a huge wake up call doesn't resonate. but what am I saying, we can argue all we want here, the bottom line in the end are the fixed voting machines and who owns them.

[fascisthunter]

2. Their Economics are Polar Opposites

I'd think it would confuse voters. I think it's possible, but an extremely incredible ticket.

[IndianaJones]

3. yeah...bigotry is cool. nt.

[thereismore]

4. I think it would win. nt

[sharp_stick]

5. This is getting just plain weird

Ron Paul is a fucking nutcase plain and simple. Now, should I need to consider the mental faculties of Dennis Kucinich, I'm starting to wonder after the last couple of days?

This ticket could never win election to dogcatcher never mind the Presidency.

[robbedvoter]

6. yeah, it would. Sorry. This was posted on DU - from Paul's website:(he's shit)

"

"Welfare is now part of our culture, costing hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is now thought to be a "right," something one is "entitled" to. Calling it an "entitlement" makes it sound proper and respectable and not based on theft........Controlled curricula have downplayed the importance of our constitutional heritage while indoctrinating our children, even in kindergarten, with environmental mythology, internationalism, and sexual liberation. ........It is now accepted that people who need (medical) care are entitled to it as a right. This is a serious error in judgment........The welfare system has mocked the concept of marriage in the name of political correctness, economic egalitarianism, and hetero-phobia."

[denem]

23. hetero-phobia? vey. nt.

[LeftishBrit]

7. That if anything went wrong with Kucinich's health an evil RW-er would take over

Moreover the Stormfront types would know this. I'm not in general a big CT-er; but in such a situation, I think there'd be a VERY high risk of 'something happening' to Kucinich.

[onenote]

10. Yes it would be a bad thing

Its disgusting enough that Ron Paul is a member of Congress. The last thing in the world I'd want is for him to be a heartbeat from the Presidency.

[Buzz Clik]

11. What if monkeys flew out my butt?

[TahitiNut]

12. All 8,585 of them?

:dunce: :rofl:

:hide:

[Buzz Clik]

26. Monkeys or butts?

EDIT: okay. It took a little digging, but I get it now.

:eyes: :evilgrin:

[TahitiNut]

35. Imagine how six times as many must feel.

:rofl:

:dunce:

[Buzz Clik]

38. That's a lot of monkeys.

:toast:

[mzteris]

14. hell f'ing yes

PAUL??

He's a certified piece of ****.

[cali]

15. yes. A very bad thing.

[book_worm]

17. Neither DK nor Paul will do much better than Dean did in '04

and probably Dean will do better than either of them because at least Dean won two primaries (VT and DC) and came in second or third in a few.

[madinmaryland]

18. IT CAN'T!! STOP REPEATING THIS STUPID MYTH!

They are two polar opposites and the only agreement they have is for ending the war.

[DutchLiberal]

32. Tell that to Kucinich, who seriously considers Paul as running mate.

[madinmaryland]

34. I've heard that he did say that. And he lost a lot of respect in my mind

when he said that. I'm sorry, but after the last seven years, I don't want a whack job like Paul one step away from being POTUS!

[txaslftist]

37. And protecting civil liberties. They are on the same page there.

And reducing our foreign military presence and the defense budget. Since that = 75% of our annual budget, that means they agree on an awful lot. As for "ending the war" being the only place they agree on, since they are the only two candidates committed to that, it's a pretty important place to be.

[wildbilln864]

19. I hope they do....

otherwise America is fucked IMHO! :hi:

[Mass]

20. It would put Ron Paul in position to become president

:scared:

The man's voting record and platform are for the most part scary

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-record-in-congress.html

[KamaAina]

31. The same thought occurred to me

some of his supporters are as scary as his voting record. I wouldn't put it past one of them to take a potshot at President Kucinich just to make that happen. :scared:

[Zorra]

21. After what republicans have done to our country in the past 6 years,

I never want to see any republican in any office ever again.

No decent human being would consider being a member of the republican party, unless, of course, they went undercover in the party in an attempt to destroy it, in which case they would be a genuine national hero.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. You have got to be kidding me! PLEASE! Know who you would be voting for! PLEASE.

He's a racist! Please stop this Ron Paul lovefest on DU. This is DEMOCRATICUnderground.com



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The wisdom of Ron Paul

“If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably-fleet-footed they can be.” (Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96)

“Politically sensible blacks are outnumbered as decent people... Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” (Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96)

"We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such." (Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96)

“Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action.” (Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96)

“The Criminals who terrorize our cities - in riots and on every non-riot day - are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are.” (Victoria Advocate, 8/7/96)

“There is no such thing as a hate crime.” (Ron Paul: Political Action Report, 1/15/92)

A “free market provides for the poor...” (MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour, 10/24/88 on why he is against government assistance)

"Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?” he asks. “Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?" (Washington Post, 7/9/06) (Paul voted against assistance to Katrina and Rita victims, even though some of his district is on the Texas coast.)

“I am opposed to any form of government health insurance as I am opposed to the taxes, regulations, licensing requirements, and monopolistic practices, which keep health costs higher than their true market value.” (CNN Presidential Questionnaire, 1988)

As for Social Security, "we didn't have it until 1935," Paul says. "I mean, do you read stories about how many people were laying in the streets and dying and didn't have medical treatment? …Prices were low and the country was productive and families took care of themselves and churches built hospitals and there was no starvation." (Washington Post, 7/9/06)

“Something must be done to phase out the government’s involvement in Social Security. Pension and annuity plans should be the concern of the people, not the government. Political control of these things will lead only to bankruptcy and misery for retired persons.” (CNN Presidential Questionnaire, 1988M)

“Immigrants can spread diseases for which we may have no immunity. There is also the question of crime and culture. Many immigrants come from countries with different legal structures and are not willing to behave in the way we expect American citizens to behave.” (Ron Paul Political Report, 3/15/92)

"The right of secession should be ingrained in a free society. There is nothing sacred about large units of government. And there is nothing wrong with loosely banding together small units of government. With the disintegration of the Soviet Union, we too should consider it." From his newsletter in the early to mid 90s--sorry I don't have an exact date.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1061584

[tekisui]

40. Please send that to Kucinich, tell him praising Paul makes him look bad.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Done!

I hope they read my email. Kucinich needs to know what the hell he's talking about!

[SoCalDem]

24. hahahahahahahahahaha

maybe on Planet Zorp..but not on Earth

[rAVES]

25. All the closet War supporting DLC people here heads would explode..

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. No! No! No! Have I made myself clear? No! You can support

Paul if you want to, but in no way could I. By even thinking about him you are saying Yes to no Social Security, No Medicare, No Medicaid, No Headstart, No College assistance, No Social Programs. You are also saying Yes that abortion should be criminalized and saying Yes to a heartless candidate.

And why do you think Dennis would be on the top of the ticket. You do the math. Paul is raising Millions of Dollars and Dennis isn't.

I think that this was thought of by Dennis' wife who has no experience with American politics and who is also very idealistic. I don't believe she understands that even if Dennis was on the top of the ticket, we would be a heartbeat away from Paul as President.

[skipos]

28. It would be an AWFUL thing for DK/RP to win

It would make Democrats think they need to run with Republicans to win.
It would put a Republican one heartbeat away from being President.

Ron Paul is painfully wrong on a large majority of the issues.
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-record-in-congress.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/5/193414/2787
Does that sound like someone you want as VP?

[blondeatlast]

29. Would that be a bad thing? Yes--to have a batshit nutball racist isolationist

radical way-right winger a heartbeat away from the presidency would be scary as hell--and I don't trust the Doctor one bit.

[mdmc]

30. corporations beware!

:kick:

[mvd]

33. I oppose it

It just wouldn't work. For different ideologies, Kucinich/Richardson might have a chance.

[mvd]

36. That said

I think this is a case of grandstanding. I wouldn't abandon Kucinich unless he actually nominated Paul.

[endarkenment]

39. And a follow up question: would you vote for this ticket?

Think carefully before you answer.

[tekisui]

41. As long as the two of them don't get any stupid ideas about a 3rd Party.

We won't have to worry about the very scary Dr.Paul getting anywhere near the general election.

[endarkenment]

43. Gore chooses Lieberman (asshole party of one ) as running mate.

Vote for Gore, or vote for Nader?

[LSdemocrat]

44. Why the hell would Ron Paul want to be Kucinich's VP?

[McCamy Taylor]

45. What if something happened to Dennis? We would be so scr*wed!

[mdmc]

47. kick