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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:12 PM
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The Blue Pill People

In the movie, when Morpheus is about to offer Neo the choice between either the red pill or the blue pill, he explains:

“You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain — but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life; that there’s something wrong with the world; you don’t know what it is, but it’s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I’m talking about?”

“The Matrix,” Neo asks?

“Do you want to know what it is? The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes; it is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.”

And Neo asks, “What truth?”

“That you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage; born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch; a prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to experience it for yourself.”

Civilisation, the culture of empire, can only function through the use of slaves. In some parts of the world this slavery is less concealed, while many of us live lives of apparent freedom, the matrix being almost completely concealed from us. Our own (inculcated) worldviews actually help to turn us into blue pill people - but some of us just feel that there is something wrong with this (civilised) world.

The corporate/government/financial interface combines to create a massive illusion of benefits — the American dream. For the price of a promise to indebt our future labors, pay our taxes and play within the system, there are seemingly limitless toys, castles, comforts and consumables for those who believe in this Matrix. For half our productivity taken in taxes (the other half in payments) and the deeds and title to whatever we think we own, government and its private affiliates will take care of us.

To live in this Matrix, all we have to surrender is any genuine sense of independence, personal responsibility and our right to live freely and actually own the fruits of our labors.

And, like in the movie, a contingent of agents are deployed to combat any renegade humans who have a will for freedom from the Matrix which surrounds us.

As Morpheus expiained, “The Matrix is a system Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they’ll fight to protect it.”

Why will blue pill people fight to protect a Matrix that enslaves them? It’s all they know. And all their toys, castles, comforts and consumables will be gone without the Matrix. Their whole illusionary existence will evaporate, leaving them naked and alone.

‘Theres lots of people worse off than you’ is the phrase that comes to mind. People who are actually worse off BECAUSE of our activities in the matrix. people who are lower down the heirarchy, and so of ‘lesser value’. People whose lives are impoverished and enslaved in more blatant ways by the system that rewords sociopathic behaviour.

Remember the detainment camps those paranoid conspiracy theorists told you about years ago?

U.S. officials claim they can detain and interrogate enemy combatants until the executive branch declares an end to the war on terrorism. This includes no access to lawyers or family members; investigations, interrogations, trials and punishments can be held without the protections secured by the Constitution. The Nazi/moron president’s administration says there is ample precedent for what it is doing. Are we following the “ample precedent” of a man named Hitler?

Meanwile, the Congress has passed the American Gestapo Authorization (Homeland Security) Act which defines a terrorist as:

“The term “terrorism’ means any activity that — involves an act that is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and appears to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.”

As a test for social compliance, 838 blue pillers recently passed blissfully through an unconstitutional random roadblock in Pittsburgh without “seeing” the real “terrorists” in Homeland Security’s new America — the police state (See page 22). Is our present police state “dangerous to human life” and “destructive of critical infrastructure” like the Bill of Rights? Is it “against the laws” (18 USC 241; 242) to deprive a citizen of their right to travel and be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects? Do random roadblocks, by design, “intimidate or coerce a civilian population?” What happens if you don’t comply with the roadblock?

What indeed? What do the people who gain the most from this civilisation always do to perceived threats to their power and authority?

How deep does the rabbit hole go? Near the end of the movie, the Matrix’s agent Smith acclaims the virtues of the Matrix to the captive red pill people’s leader Morpheus: “Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at is beauty; its genius? Billions of people, just living out their lives — oblivious.”

http://www.endgame.org.uk/?p=138
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:15 PM
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1. I thought this was a post about viagra..... my bad nt
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:19 PM
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2. I guess we know which pill you took.
:eyes:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:20 PM
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4. Viva Viagra !
I thought of those stupid guys playing guitars laughing about how they needed the blue pill..I always roll my eyes & laugh when it's on.. Like GUYS would sit around joking about THAT!!! :rofl:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:49 PM
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6. You very bad....
:spank:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:51 AM
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29. Desevres to be, that's for sure. As for your reply to it,
:yourock: :rofl:

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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:20 PM
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3. Wonderfully written and I could not reccommend it higher.
Bravo.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 01:24 PM
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5. You are right, but there are still far too few who acknowledge this truth.
:kick: & R


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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:49 AM
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28. Sadly, some of them are posting in this thread.
Perhaps it is easier to giggle and snicker, and wax cute witticisms, than it is to appreciate, understand, and heed what the OP said.

I have a feeling in the coming months though, that laughter will be seen a lot less.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:05 AM
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30. The illusion of safety in numbers, courting applause. Never underestimate the power of denial
...especially when it behooves people on a profe$$ional to embrace establishment ideology. Such is the video-subconscious of America.

"No age has ever been so self-conscious as ours. At any rate, the quality of journalism the modern age has turned out in the process of its own self-analysis already overflows our archives and, were it not that most of it is doomed to perish, would be a dull burden to hand down to our descendants. The task still goes on, as it must, for the last word has not been spoken, and modern man seems even further from understanding himself than when he first began to question his own identity. Of documentation of external facts we have had enough and to spare, more than the squirrel-like scholars will ever be able to piece together into a single whole, enough to keep the busy popularizers spouting in bright-eyed knowledgeability the rest of their days; but of the inner facts-of what goes on at the center where the forces of our fate first announce themselves-we are still pretty much in ignorance, and most of the contemporary world is caught up in an unconscious and gigantic conspiracy to run away from these facts. Hence the necessity of returning to a subject that only appears to be well worn. With civilization, as with individuals, the outer fact is often merely the explosion resulting from accumulated inner tension, the signs of which were plentifully present, though none of the persons concerned chose to heed them."

~ William Barrett, Irrational Man: A Study in Existential Philosophy
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:22 AM
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33. Well said, EIL
It will be interesting to see how those, who bask in the Safety of the Illusion, the Comfort of Denial, will react when the illusion disappears.

And all that is left is the realization which crashes down to cruelly reveal that the Denial was nothing more than a numbing narcotic that only offered the illusion of safety from the events, machinations, and realities around them, and did nothing to affect the ultimate outcome, influence, or effects of the consequences that resulted from said events, machinations, and realities.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:36 AM
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34. Thanks. Compassion is likewise crucial while wading into the murky waters of self liberation...
The process of un-learning, so to speak, of de-conditioning, of opening one's self up to a different perspective than the prevailing collective narrative, the consensus "reality," I suspect is quite painful and troublesome for people on many levels.

I've had many conversations/interactions with people who are able to bring themselves up that essential point of acknowledgment, but then out of innate timidity and anxiety, are unwilling to cross that threshold. It's like the teenager who is afraid of what his/her parents will say/think upon discovering they've chosen something for themselves that runs contrary to parental ideology.

However, over the past several yrs one can discern how the normative conflict forces choice.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:50 AM
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36. And I often say to people if those who you previously conflicted with, even bitterly
Awaken to the realities that are around them, and shed their denial and exit The Matrix, it is far better to offer an outstretched hand to welcome them into the light, than to engage in derogatory berating, or the sting of "I Told You So!"

I think showing Compassion and Understanding will be key, especially to those who we may have conflicted with in a bitter or rancorous way. That will be one of the key challenges as those who are enlightened are joined by those who have awakened.

After all, we're all in this together. :)
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:44 AM
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37. Unfortunately I will have to agree.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 02:19 PM
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7. K&R
Good article, thanks for sharing.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 02:21 PM
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8. One of the most important
movies of the twentieth century.

TAKE THE RED PILL, PEOPLE!!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 02:49 PM
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10. I had a friend you bought the DVD and watched it a hundred times..
He knew every word by heart! Great movie.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:39 PM
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12. Check out that matrix style sunglasses ad on the top of the page. They are really cool glasses nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 02:28 PM
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9. DUDE I saw this movie called the Matrix and it was like a metaphor for life!!!
Well, no shit! I believe that's the whole point of metaphors! Unfortunately most folks never seem to get past their own sense of self-satisfaction for having taken the red pill and and spend all their time telling everyone they meet how blind they are.

So what next, abandon the concept of civilization? Go back to the land or something? I notice a lot of people who advocate such ideas seem to enjoy big-budget techno-thriller movies and posting on the internet with fashionably small computers.

In short, the film came out 10 years ago, we get it already.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:48 PM
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15. Returning to the land DOES NOT mean giving up technology. Growing your own food,
building your own house, does not mean we cannot use technology gadgets including computers.
On the contrary, most people would become inventors if they could return to the land, instead of being office rats doing pointless low added value jobs.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:00 PM
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16. Right, that's why America's farms are a hotbed of technological innovation
I actually do grow some of my own food and so on, but I like living in a city. I think these calls to 'dismantle civilization' are silly, and that a lot of people who make them most loudly later turn into conservatives. Sounds like bargain-basement anarcho-primitivism to me, which I consider a foolish notion.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:15 PM
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17. How many people live in farms? Very few. Of course that in a small sample of people you won't find
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 04:18 PM by conspirator
many geniouses. Plus most fertil land these days is in fact owned by technological mass production corporations. Cities are a den of feudal slavery and unhealthy lifestyle. A lot of people would move to the country if they could afford a farm. They live in the city because their landless ancestors were forced out of the country into the dirty factories during industrial revolution.
Anarchist and proud of it.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:38 PM
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23. Ah...no.
I typed 'small farm for sale' into google and in 2 minutes I found an attractive 36 acre ranch in AZ for $29,000. Just about anybody could manage that. Sounds to me like you just don't want to accept that some people might enjoy living in cities, as opposed to being the helpless creatures of implacable forces. If I were defined only by my ancestors I'd still be living in the west of Ireland where I grew up instead of moving to California.

Meantime, anarcho-primitivism ain't the whole story when it comes to anarchism.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:37 AM
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35. A small farm may not be enough for self suficiency. It depends on the climate and soil
characteristics. One thing is a place where you spend holidays and grow a few tomatoes. Another thing is growing cereals and have enough pasture space for lifestock. I am not a farming specialist, and I don't know exactly what size would be to sustain a family. I am still stuck in the city, unfortunately. You forget that rich people who live in the city, also own ranches and farms, and probably also farming businesses. It's not incompatible having your farm, and also spending some time in the city, in fact that's where you would go to sell any excess production you might have.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:47 PM
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24. Calls to "dismantle civilization"? I don't read them that way at all.
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 05:54 PM by Raksha
I see them as calls to transform civilization. The only people I know who like to ridicule the self-sufficiency movement as hopelessly out of touch "anarcho primitivism" are RWWs looking to discredit it.

Edited to add: Okay, I see why you used the phrase "dismantle civilization." It's the name of the website the OP is posted on. I think that's an unfortunate name, since it plays into the hands of the detractors of a very valid idea.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:26 PM
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25. As you see, the OP cites a blog with that very name
I am not ridiculing the self-sufficiency movement as anarcho-primitivism. I am ridiculing anarcho-primitivists as self-indulgent fantasists who will probably turn into libertarians later.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:02 PM
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38. Thank you for that.
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 01:03 PM by truedelphi
People really have that bee in their bonnet over the idea of simplifying.

I moved from an area where a bagel with cream cheese was costing $ 5.25.

And no one ever said "Hi" unless they knew you. You could get shot for taking someone's parking space.

Now I live a simpler life. And I feel tons more creative (and for $ 3.95 I get a sandwich with all the trimmings, so think I have to bring half of it home with me.) Can work on projects I like and connect with people who think like me.

Yes my friends in the city rant at me -- Blah Blah Blah The important jobs are here in the city. (Like I was being employed at one of the important jobs!)

Had to laugh to myself last week - a friend with a minor injury went to the Big City emergency room. Came out with a bill for $ 9,000.

I have been to the E.R. here. Came out with a bill for $ 400.

The Big City with its important jobs is something I plan on avoiding for the next thirty years.



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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:17 AM
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31. Hmm...
"In short, the film came out 10 years ago, we get it already."

Shakespeare's plays were written over 400 years ago. They still have something to say to us, today.

The timelessness of great art. Just sayin'...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 02:49 PM
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11. I believe the irony being that people connected to each other
via the Internet, to publicly analyze without the corporate media filter, compare notes and to pretty much access unlimited information are much more aware of the Matrix than those still totally reliant on traditional one way, top down, corporate media sources of information.

In our case as opposed to the movie, the people connected by computers are trying to save the ones that aren't from the corporate media created illusion of reality.

I have no doubt this is why the Agent Smiths of the corporate media were so relentless in their slandering, libeling and trashing the leading political champion for empowering the American People by opening the Internet up to them, instead of giving him credit for his vision and dedication to the democratic flow of information, they saw this coming. "The War Against Gore" was my red pill as it was totally illogical, this is when I awoke to the fact that the corporate media didn't give a damn about the First Amendment, except as to how it pertains to their own monopoly on information.

Thanks for the thread, Joanne.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:45 PM
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13. I'm surprised there are any blue pills left.
I would have thought Cindy McSame would have gobbled them all up by now... or baked them into cookies.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 03:47 PM
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14. I tried the blue pill, but honestly, it gave me the worst headache
ever afterwards. And they are expensive, too. Easier to just 1) drink less and 2) more foreplay. Oh wait, you are talking about a movie or something, sorry.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:16 PM
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18. Well explained, the sheep need to read and re-read this until they understand.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:17 PM
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19. what you said even tho
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 04:50 PM by undergroundpanther
taken from a movie, is true.
The system is the enemy,as is the abuser of power and trust. As is the sociopath and neighborhood bully,all of them are"the system" .And through systemic child abuse and conditioning that our culture has normalized as part of growing up it bit by bit murders us inside.Gradually experinces of the system's, systems will build the mind-prison inside each of us .Day by day it is reinforced . by well meaning people,assholes alike and bystanders even people ,people who just assume it is the way it is and it will stay the way it is,they all reinforce the learned helplessness and apathy,and dependence..We are taught,trained conditioned abused,cradle to grave even by our own parents until the bars are made invisible,thus unconsious. We, en masse become socialized or systemized. We live in a state of dissociated,compartmentalized "controlled insanity" .
The ones of us that DO "go insane" are the ones that see this invisible cage all around them and are so horrified they cannot form or extract any sort of meaning out of any of the wreckage and so they they go away to live in thier own minds because out here is just too threatening and perverse to try to preserve them self,trying to unsee what has been seen .People try this at a great cost.Others that do see but are wounded by it,so they live in perpetual pain or deal with depression or trauma issues.

This is one reason I hate this existence.Instead of going into my own mind or blaming myself or whatever. and playing the "game" of life, I just hate the "matrix" that demands how we are forced to live. It has hated me for as long as I can remember,it tortured me, it used it's tactics and agents bully and 'professional' alike of abuse to break me, force compliance,tried to get me to respect authority, do what they wanted me to,be what they wanted me to be,deny what I saw felt and knew,and most of all to forget who and what the enemy is,and to tolerate abuse and soul murder.

But here I am scarred as hell my mind wounded by the many attempts of "the system" and it's"agents to remake me into someone else.To control, to blind me, drug away my voice, humiliate me,torture away what I know and even through all the mind games,isolation,lies and abuses from many directions at once,I still remember what and whom my enemy is, and I still hate it all with my whole heart. I will not submit or forget ...EVER.

For it is true, once you let yourself see it,and take in the red pill, or more accurately hold onto the red pill of your original awareness of what the system is and is doing to you and that horrific epiphany of what has been done to all of us,is comprehended really and not compartmentalized away ,you can never unsee it again.Even if you go insane trying not to see it,you see it.

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:32 PM
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20. Wow, is that a real prison in your post?
That looks like something straight out of Foucault--Discipline and Punish, I think. Very appropriate for what you wrote in your post.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:18 PM
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21. Yes it is
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 05:29 PM by undergroundpanther
The Panapticon it's concept was invented by Quakers,Dorothea Dix and the Quakers, who
founded Sheppard Pratt in Baltimore are the same christian sect "freinds" that built the mental hospital that tortured me.

'The fact that it should have given rise, even in our own time, to so many variations, projected or realized, is evidence of the imaginative intensity that it has possessed for almost two hundred years... Whenever one is dealing with a multiplicity of individuals on whom a task or a particular form of behaviour must be imposed, the panoptic scheme may be used.'7

Janet Semple, author of the only monograph on the Panopticon, has said that Foucault '...and other revisionist historians, link the penitentiary with the evolution of the whole apparatus of social control developed in response to the needs of the emerging industrial capitalist society.'8
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/journal/Steadman_panopt.htm


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Eastern State Penitentiary broke sharply with the prisons of its day, abandoning corporal punishment and ill treatment. This massive new structure, opened in 1829, became one of the most expensive American buildings of its day and soon the most famous prison in the world. The Penitentiary would not simply punish, but move the criminal toward spiritual reflection and change. The method was a Quaker-inspired system of isolation from other prisoners, with labor. The early system was strict. To prevent distraction, knowledge of the building, and even mild interaction with guards, inmates were hooded whenever they were outside their cells. But the proponents of the system believed strongly that the criminals, exposed, in silence, to thoughts of their behavior and the ugliness of their crimes, would become genuinely penitent. Thus the new word, penitentiary.
http://www.easternstate.org/history/sixpage.php
http://northstargallery.com/esp/easternstatehistory01.htm

Nowadays most prisons still over-use isolation cells, some hold prisoners in cells for 23 hours a day.
I know from experince in the hospital, isolation is torture. I spent 18 months in a "quiet room" when I was 16-17 years old.I did no crime.I was a voluntary psych admission.To this day I get triggered by the sounds of some industrial building exhaust fans,white walls,and other certain things because of what happened to me.

Even the inventers and builders of panapticons knew this..(cited from link above)

"Bentham originally planned the Panopticon for solitary imprisonment, but changed his mind later as evidence emerged of the terrible cruelty of the practice.16 At Pentonville too, prisoners were held in complete isolation in the early years - according to the so-called 'separate system' - despite the fact that in many cases this caused them to become torpid, sullen and embittered, and eventually drove some of them mad".
So WHY do they do it?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5579901
http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/misc.activism.progressive/msg04079.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/09/us/09prison.html?ex=1331096400&en=7b9093960e12d25d&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-11-prison-cover-usat_x.htm
This is why I favor the death penalty for pedophiles rapists torturers and some cases murder..Isolation is torture.And torturing a criminal,or any being to me is more evil than simply killing a non-innocent criminal.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1898


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:36 PM
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22. Amen to that undergroundpanther...
:hug:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:50 PM
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26. The right to say NO.Is the way to freedom.
Child Development:
It is no coincidence that the first appearance of life-long memory and abstract self-recognition ("ego") comes in the third year, right after the discovery and common fascination with the word "no". I am not-you, not-that, not-it are essential foundations of self.

Civilization Development:
Tribal peoples, even as recently as modern Japanese, almost always identify themselves in relational and historical terms: son-of-that-one, father-of-that-one, keeper of this-item, hunter-of that-game, weaver-of- that-fabric, etc. But in the West we habitually refer to ourselves as "I", unqualified, and for very good reason: through that word we reserve the right to identify ourselves as individuals with choice and identity outside all roles and history. The very foundation of "I" is "no": I am _not_ my history,not my job, not your ideas about my history, not even my own ideas about my history.

Conclusion:
Both in theory ("we know you best", "for your own good" etc.) and in practice (frequent de facto mandatory drugging and commitment) psychiatry denies this word "no". Psychiatry and its industry demolish the foundations of healthy being while claiming the opposite. A legal definition of the right (of both parties) to say "no" is absolutely essential to ethical psychiatry.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/327/7429/1449#45881

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Freedom is GONE..when people are not allowed to say NO.

As in NO I do not want______

Examples like:
NO, I do not want to work for you.
No I don't like doing that job.
No, I will not let the boss defraud others because you are scared of him.
No,I do not want to buy that shit you sell.
No I will not back down.
No,I do not want to pay attention to you, look listen or otherwise waste my time with you.
No, I do not want to live that way.
No, I do not desire that.
NO, I do not want to talk,act,dress,behave,believe or be like you because you demand I do it or everyone else thinks it's normal or good to.
NO, I do not want to be abused, bullied harassed coerced or forced.
NO,I do not want to tolerate your behavior.
No, I will not submit,obey or comply with those demands.
No I will not stay here.
No I do not want to change myself for you.
No,I will not stop creating,writing drawing,etc. just because you are offended.(offended is not the same as HURT btw.)
No, I will not shut up.
No, I will not be nice/appropriate and do as I am told.
No, I won't go along with you or your ideas/plans/schemes/ policies.
No I will not be part of your life.
No ,I will not believe you or believe what you call truth..
No I will not try it because you asked or demanded I try it.No I will not "open my mind" or try it because "I never tried it before " for you.
NO I will not stop my own feelings/emotional expressions for you.
No, I do not want that medication.
No I do not want to give you that information.


In life we are constantly coerced involuntarily by authority figures,the workplace,corporations,the"ownership" game,the system,and more..So much it has become invisible,normalized. So,therefore our freedom to find out who we are,what we want,what we prefer, to BE ourselves and to decide our own decisions ourselves is denied when the right to say No is denied us.Think about all the times we are denied the right to refuse? It's staggering if you think about it.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:34 PM
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27. How long will it take for people to give up the blue pill? Why hasn't almost 8 years of hell
been enough to see the truth clearly?

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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:22 AM
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32. Take the red pill now, you won't be sorry.....
I've been living the red pill experience for about ten years now - ever since I became ill in 1999 then progressively failed at my job, became totally disabled, went through two major operations and suffer with constant pain day in and day out. I have witnessed first hand how the 'matrix' fails it's citizens. Years of waiting for SS benefits, no health care insurance, major debt, loss of my home, all these things can be linked to the absolute failure of our 'system' to offer any kind of support when it really matters.

Yet our 'nation' continues to finance a war based in lies and deceit run by criminals and crooks - the worst gaggle of monsters I've ever witnessed in my fifty-four years. How is any of this ever going to change?

TAKE THE RED PILL NOW. It's your chance to flush all the red shit right out of your body and your mind. Give truth a chance. Don't be afraid. The truth will set you free. It has me.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:23 PM
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39. It wasn't always such a "Blue Pill" world we lived in....
..."The Matrix" might be the first metaphor many of you experienced for the lock-step, corporate-clone life most Americans are living. But Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" in the 20s spelled it out, too. Many books published in the 19-teens, like Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" told of the horrors of following without question.

Bottom line is: these Neo-Con fascist pigs who've taken over our government are the worst of the worst--their blatant corporatism, their obvious ambitions into turning our system into a monarchy are insulting to anyone with any intelligence. But looking beyond that, it's pretty clear that we've been fighting this battle for a long, long time.

When I was growing up in the 70s, we had a mantra: Question Authority. And that's really all you need to start with--what will follow is the rejection of the "Blue Pill". It's a much harder life--as you all understand personally, otherwise you wouldn't post here--and I remember many times almost wishing I could be like everyone else and not give a shit about anything. But by "Questioning Authority" and expanding the concept to questioning EVERYTHING, I took myself out of the mainstream.

And here I am. And so are you.

But I did have it easier: Back when I was growing up and seeking social approval, my generation had a HUGE counter-culture, and a very us-against-the-system mentality. Nowadays, you're pretty much on your own if you reject the status quo. And you better believe that it was a deliberate plan by the Plutocracy to marginalise the rebels--probably put into place just after Nixon imploded.

So yeah, it's harder to rage against the establishment at this point in time, but I can tell you, it's worth it! I don't care how easy life is with the "Blue Pill" it's far more fulfilling with the red. Truth is always better than lies, even the truths that are hard to tell yourself. Knowledge is always better than ignorance--especially because the System wants only CERTAIN people to have knowledge so they can control the rest of us. The System makes it really hard to find out what we need to know, but we have to persevere and above all QUESTION what we're told. Pick at that spinter in our minds until it opens up the chasm and the knowledge comes pouring in.

It's the life we're meant to live. Otherwise why bother?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:55 PM
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40. For the record: the 'blue pill' in the original is 'socialism' and things like income tax
What won't the blue pill people in our current “real” world look at? They refuse to acknowledge they are they are funding their enslavement to a socialist homeland police state. Last month, a few “red pill” people traveled to D.C. for an eloquent conclusion to Freedom Drive 2002, exposing the fraud of the l6th Amendment, the IRS, and the federal income tax. But the blue pill people remained comfortably in their coma, ever willing to pay a tax they do not owe. They fund Congress and the Nazi/moron president's implementation of America's new Third Reich, so they can feel “secure.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1543.htm


Just so people know they're cheering on libertarianism in this thread, that's all.
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