This woman on Thom Hartmann is annoying the shit out of me

[mrreowwr_kittty]

She has this incredibly obnoxious habit of saying Thom's name when she is making a point. She's apparently a very successful tax attorney and I can't figure out why because she's a moron.

[LisaM]

1. LOL - Roni Deutsch?

She does late night ads on some channel I watch!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Yes!

They were taking calls from listeners and there were numerous occasions where she clearly didn't know what she was talking about and just filibustered and spouted RW talking points. I mean, obviously she knows tax law but that doesn't make her an expert on every economic issue. Gah.

I thought, WTF Thom? And then when the segment was over they ran an ad for her service. Now I get it! Thom's getting paid to let her shill.

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. Ronnie Deutsch

I've seen her obnoxious commercials on TV. Didn't need to hear her this early in the morning. :hangover:

[Cleita]

3. Would you be annoyed with her if she weren't a woman?

Why do I get the "obnoxious, loudmouthed woman" vibe from your post? As a person with an accounting background, I find her advice very sound. I'm sure you wouldn't object if a man were saying the same thing.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Yes! If you do a search of me you will see I'm an ardent feminist.

So I don't know what "vibe" you think you are getting from me. Matter of fact, I've posted more than once about the annoying MAN, Terry Jeffries, who is a frequent guest on Hartmann's show.

[amdezurik]

9. actually yes I would

her over-enunciation of some words and her emphasis of some of the sy;ablles is just grating. Makes he sound like a 30 minute infomercial, i changed channels...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. Oh, and do you like her RW talking points about raising taxes on the wealthy?

I don't know about you, but I'm about on my last damn nerve listening to rich people like Deutsch whine about raising their taxes 2 percent while the rest of the country struggles. But YMMV.

[Cleita]

12. No, but I thought her advice to people to get a tax professional was

on the spot. Most tax accountants are RW because it's their job to cut taxes for their clients.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. I know plenty of liberal accountants.

They try to get tax cuts for their clients because that's what they are paid to do and it's how the laws are structured. As for Ronnie, telling someone to get a tax professional instead of relying on a family member to do your taxes is not exactly a remarkable piece of insight. I don't know shit about taxes and I'd have told him the same thing.

I'm disappointed in Thom for giving this RW hack so much airtime and treating her like she's credible He will argue with her when she makes one of her stupider points but he isn't the polite but tenacious adversary he is when he's debating conservatives.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. As Someone With A Business And Economics Background. . ..

. . .i find her opinions and advice to be based upon a remarkable grasp of the obvious.

There isn't a lawyer or accountant in the world who doesn't know what she knows, and she acts like the ulimate authority.

And, she does give bad advice from time to time. She is hardly infallible, and yet acts as if she is the sole expert on the subject.

Has nothing to do with being a woman. Has to do with being obnoxious and self-aggrandizing.
The Professor

[Cleita]

14. Yes, but she's in business to do that. That's what she's selling.

So methinks it's not what she says so much as to the fact she has an annoying female voice. I find this is the last prejudice against women. If a woman doesn't speak with a demure voice and manner in the board room, then she's some kind of loudmouthed shrew. Men of course can shout and pound their fists on the table and no one bats an eyelash.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Then You're Wrong

Who are you to tell me what i'm thinking and what i find irritating?

And, i'm not pounding my fist or yelling. I expressed an opinion, i did it politely and honestly. And, because you disagree i am anti-woman? That's preposterous. And quite insulting.

And i don't care what she's sellling. It's the attitude and style i find irritating. I don't think she really knows as much as she thinks she does, her success is not based upon her skills in her field, but on her ability to overstate her expertise. Not a noble objective, no matter the gender of the messenger.

You do know that she provides specific advice in how NOT to pay taxes.

As a progressive, you find that OK?

I don't.

She's not an admirable person, and she's not enormously skilled. She just acts like both.
GAC

[TahitiNut]

21. You make the mistake of using two sexist terms.

"Her" and "she."


:dunce:








:hide:

[Cleita]

25. Laugh now.

Cry later when the troops arrive. :-)

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Oh Darn!

Troublemaker!
GAC

[Cleita]

24. I'm not telling you what to think.

What I'm saying is the OP instead of objecting to what she said and then saying her voice was annoying, only said she was annoying and a moron without qualifying it. She clearly is not a moron. If you want to object to what she says then fine. It's exactly the objection to the attitude and style that I'm remarking on. No one would say this about a man.

As far as advice on how NOT to pay taxes, it's been done in the accounting profession for as long as I can remember. It's why it exists primarily. Every entry I ever made in a journal and post in a ledger had a tax advantage behind it. You know that. What I don't find okay as a progressive is what our taxes are used for and quite honestly I have taken every tax advantage since Bush got into office because I don't like what he's doing with the taxpayer's money.

No she's not an admirable person nor enormously skilled but she's a person who has managed to catapult that into a brand and probably a nice income as well. Of course if she were Bob the Attorney from late night TV that Hartmann had interviewed instead, I bet there would be nary a word about how annoying he was.

[ProfessorGAC]

33. I'd Bet If She Wasn't A Selfish Right Wing Nutjob. . .

. . .there would be no objection to her, no matter her gender.
GAC

[Cleita]

37. Yeah, there would be.

Look at all the threads in the past trashing Randi Rhodes because of what she says and how she says it. If you haven't ran across a few of them in the last year, especially, when she got fired from AAR for saying the "F" word in a stand up routine, then you have a better filtering system than anyone. For that matter remember what was said about Hillary Clinton all through the primary. I have remained quiet about it up until now because after eight years, I had resigned myself to DU's open sexism. But since the Sarah Palin months, it's been seething inside of me and it's coming to the surface. Now, I think Palin is a despicable person, but all the commentary about her has been framed in misogynistic terms, you know about the grating voice, the chutzpah, the clothes and many other things that seem to be only about women. No one talked about McCains $400 suits or the fact that his high pitched voice is really annoying, or that he's a two faced liar. Being two-faced you know is a female trait so they say.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Find My Posts In There

Remember that if you use a broad brush, you will paint the people who aren't those to whom you intended the paintjob.

I'm not one of those who needs the new coat of paint.

You're being willfully obtuse and are picking a fight where no fight exists.

That, my friend, is on you.
GAC

[Cleita]

49. Boy you read a whole lot into things that aren't there.

I stated a fact that there were awful threads on both women here on DU. I don't think I mentioned you at all as either instigating or participating in them. Only you know what you post. I certainly don't go all over the message boards looking for your posts believe me.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. Needlessly Provocative

Just like your pal, OPERATIONMINDCRIME! You came looking for a fight, reading all sorts of mysogeny into the motives of others, and when you get called it, you start fighting harder, but simultaneously playing the role of victim.

And, now you think insulting me is the answer, because i called you on being insulting.

All i ever said is that it is EASY to criticize Deutch without regard to her gender. You refused to accept that.

When i challenged you to find one post in which i expressed such a sentiment, you were too lazy to even try. Or perhaps, you knew you couldn't. But, in this last post, you decided to make sure to suggest that you don't respect me enough to check.

Well, before this i wouldn't have said this. But, the feeling's now mutual.
GAC

[Cleita]

53. Nevermind

[Touchdown]

54. You're an anti-gay homophobic bigot!!!!

You didn't find room in your Virgo-made list of outrages, for gay people.:evilgrin:

[Cleita]

55. Funneee!

[Touchdown]

59. And... she couldn't see the irony.

Oh' well. I tried.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. I actually like her type of voice.

It's the habit of saying Thom's name over and over that bugs me.

I mean, Cleita, how do you like it, Cleita, when someone constantly mentions your name, Cleita, when talking to you, Cleita?

And then there was the filibustering with RW talking points when asked a direct question about capital gains and small businesses.

[Cleita]

27. I have had male bosses do that to me when lecturing me so

it's seems to be objectionable only when women do it. Remember Sarah Palin repeating Charlie all the time in that interview? No one could stop making fun of it yet, I hear men doing it all the time when they are trying demean an opponent.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. Did you enjoy it when your male bosses did it?

I find it incredibly patronizing when men or women do that to me. I think to myself, "What am I, your dog? I know my own name, thank you very much."

[Phredicles]

40. It's annoying as hell when telemarketers do it. Even the male ones.

[amdezurik]

20. that person has an annoying VOICE

male or female it would STLL BE ANNOYING. You're insistance that it must be sexism only shows that you have no point besides tossing out random insults.

[Cleita]

28. Hmm. Let me ask you a question.

Why do you think Keith Olbermann championed Rachel Maddow to be on his show eventually getting her her own show, but not Randi Rhodes? Politically, Randi and Rachel are on the same page and do the same amount of research. You, know why? Because Randi is a bigger loudmouth than Rachel and that prejudice of the loud, pushy woman is so ingrained in our society that people are misogynist without even knowing it.

[amdezurik]

32. so you can prove your contention?

or are you just tossing feces at the walls to see what sticks? Seriously you are coming of as the type of person will say anything to insult others.

[Cleita]

35. ...

:rofl:

[Phredicles]

39. Wait, Maddow got a show over Rhodes and that's sexism???

You do know they're both women, right?:wtf:

Frankly, I don't care for loud, pushy loudmouths who are men OR women. A lot people don't. And maybe, just maybe, that's why Maddow got the gig.

[Cleita]

41. Yes, but that doesn't explain Joe Scarborough does it?

Randi has often said that Olbermann wants nothing to do with her nor will invite her on his show. It seems to me to be that he doesn't like her because she is abrasive. However, to me, no one is more obnoxious than Joe Scarborough, yet he has a show on MSNBC.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

42. O'Reilly and Hannity are way more obnoxious than Scarborough

Bombastic belligerent bullies who interrupt their guests and are just plain rude to anyone who disagrees with them.

[Cleita]

43. True but I thought we were talking about MSNBC. n/t

[Phredicles]

44. Maybe, but you were talking about Maddow earlier.

Maddow's manner is much better than Scarborough's. Anyway, what's sexist about preferring not to deal with abrasive people? If Rhodes were getting shut out because she's a woman, that would be sexism. But given that she is, by you own account, loud, pushy, and abrasive, I really don't see a big mystery about why she doesn't get more play.

[Cleita]

45. Well, I don't find her as bad as that or even bad at all because I like

what she says and what she does underneath all of that, but she has openly said KO won't have anything to do with her. Although KO has never mentioned why, I think his silence speaks volumes on that particlularly since he has sponsored the more cultured and soft spoken Rachel. I was aboard a ship with Randi for seven days and found her to be rather shy, not anything like her radio personality. I grew up surrounded by people who constantly belittled assertive women for being loud, not ladylike, and many other terms not fit for polite company. I was punished for raising my voice and "behaving like a boy" to the point that today people have to ask me to speak up. It's so ingrained in our society that assertive women aren't, oh well, feminine and therefore obnoxious that people don't even see it when it surfaces in their criticisms.

[Phredicles]

46. What you're describing isn't fair, but it still doesn't show how

championing Maddow over Rhodes is sexist. A preference for soft-spoken and cultured over loud and abrasive is not sexist; indeed, given the screech-friendly culture of cable news, the success of the former in this instance is fairly remarkable. And soft-spoken or no, if you're implying that Maddow is not assertive, I'm not buying it.

[Cleita]

47. Yes, but have you noticed that most of the screeching is done by men

like Chris Matthews. Now there's a guy I always have found loud and obnoxious, but I don't hear anyone saying his voice is getting to them. There are complaints about Matthews but it's usually about what he says first and that he interrupts guests second. I like the fact that Maddow is polite and says thank you a lot, but I don't think women should be criticized for that when they aren't. Yet they are on that basis alone all the time. Personally, I don't think I would want to be in a room alone with Roni for five minutes, but I don't feel I have a right to say she shouldn't express herself any way she wants to.

[tularetom]

4. That's that stupid tax woman Ronnie Deutsch

I had to turn her off. She said "Tom" every 5 seconds.

[lapfog_1]

5. She is an incredibly annoying person

http://www.ronideutch.com/

And she is one of those late night TV hucksters.

It's a repeat show, I turned it off... wasn't worth listening to the first time.

[Greyhound]

6. Ronnie Deutch's business is selling Ronnie Deutch. A reich-wingnut of the first order.

I like how she just dismissed the increase of corporate taxes but saying, "I'll just pass it on to my customers". Yeah, right. In the middle of economic collapse the business "genius" is going to raise her prices.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. Yeah, did Ronnie pass the savings on to her clients when she got tax cuts?

Didn't think so.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. Blech! I Can't Stand That Obnoxious Loudmouthed Woman. Definitely Annoying.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. Needlessly Provocative

What a coincidence!
The Professor

[Cleita]

29. Thanks OMC, you always come through to prove my point. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[knixphan]

56. seconded.

[Peregrine Took]

22. Oh God - so true. She says his name over and over - it drives me nuts!

It must be a technique of hers when being interviewed - I wonder why he doesn't call her on it??

[LWolf]

23. Easy solution.

Turn it off. ;)

[amdezurik]

26. I did, just hate to do that to thom

but i sent a comment to him and to the local station as to why I changed channels...

[LWolf]

30. Feedback is good.

:thumbsup:

[Subdivisions]

36. Yep, no sooner did I read this post and there she was on TV. n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

50. I am forced into turning Thom off for as long as she is on his show.

I cant stand her or her voice.

[latebloomer]

51. At least you get to hear Thom Hartmann!

On Air America NYC they replaced him with Ed Schultz, who I find to be an obnoxious windbag.

[Critters2]

57. We get both of 'em. Ed in the morning and Thom in the afternoon.

I'm still not used to getting progressive talk radio. So, I turn on the radio and hear Ed...who sounds like Rush. And then he starts making sense, at least in comparison to Rush, and I remember that I get WCPT now. And the world is a happier place.

[latebloomer]

58. he does sound like Rush.

Bombastic!

I find him hard to listen to. Can't figure out why they replaced Thom with him- but they make a LOT of weird decisions.