My rant to Mr. Obama and the Democratic congress - Can we cut the "Let's work together" BS??

[mymessageboardid]

Jesus H Christ. We win by over 8,500,000 votes, which dwarfs Bush's 3,000,000 vote "mandate" from 2004. Huge majority in Congress. Governorships out the ass.

Then.....

a) Back peddling on one of the lynchpins of the campaign, rolling back Bush's tax cuts for the rich. Now they'll just let them "expire" in two years. Sorry, but that is complete BULLSHIT! If they are backing off rolling them back now, how do we know they won't extend them in two years, you know, as a nice "gesture" in this whole working together BS.

b) LIEberman. Jesus H Christ, I still can't get over how this piece of slime was allowed to keep his chairmanship. This slimeball, all by himself, has prevented any and all investigations into Katrina, many of which were criminal. Then I read stories like this http://www.newsweek.com/id/170370 that piss me off even more. Yes Mr. Obama, YOU are responsible for allowing this slimeball to keep that chairmanship. You were the one who publicly pushed for this to happen. How can you possible justify that given the abuses of this administration in regards to Katrina?

c) BushCo's Criminal Acts, Inc. I can still hear Joe Biden yelling at every stump speech, how the criminal actions of Bush and his goons would be investigated. PEOPLE WOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE. Now? "We are looking forward" - BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WTF am I hearing??? BULLSHIT. Please tell me I'm hearing this wrong. Can someone on DU pinch me through the computer and tell me I'm dreaming? If this incoming administration, along with this huge majority in Congress refuse to start holding people criminally responsible for these last 8 years, then they are just as guilty for letting it slide.


How come all of this "working together" always benefits the other side? If I wanted two more years of huge tax cuts for millionaires, I would have voted for McCain. I've got news for you Mr. Obama. I've got news for your Democratic Congress, and please get this through your thick skulls. The Republicans never wanted to "work" with the other side when they controlled everything, and quite frankly I hate most of what they stand for. So show some fucking backbone and do what you were elected to do, what YOU promised. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone right now, watching you go back on some pretty big things, the very things that got you elected.

P.S. Still waiting on that war in Iraq to end, you know, the war that the Dems were given control of Congress to end - almost two years ago.

[elleng]

1. No, we can't cut it.

Its the only way this government works.

[xchrom]

2. recommend

[babylonsister]

34. Why? Nevermind. I get it. You don't know.

What's that guy's name? Gump?

[xchrom]

50. he's your dad -- so you should know his name. nt

[tabatha]

3. Watch and wait - all will become clear.

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. Outrage noted. But without the necessary 60 seats in the Senate, where

exactly do you think the votes will come from? Some here just seem to want political theater, just for show. I, on the other hand, want Obama to be able to build consensus to actually get things done.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

5. What things?

Define what you mean.

[xchrom]

6. you know what -- the other side neeeds plety, plenty from

the other side.

make them work for it.

not to mention the whole intellectual dishonesty that stems from conservatism.

[mymessageboardid]

7. So, you're saying if we had 60 rock solid seats in the Senate

...you would say "screw them" and jam whatever piece of legislation we want down their throats?

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. It's not a matter of jamming anything down anyone's throats. Obama

has made it quite clear that he wants to be the President of all the people, even those who didn't vote for him. He is a level headed and skilled politician, who apparently doesn't hold grudges, and that seems to piss you off. Some people seem to always be spoiling for a fight. There are real issues and lives at stake here, so getting revenge for the past eight years of Bush, really isn't a high priority for Obama, much to the chagrin of the so-called "progressive" base who are always looking for something to fight about.

[mymessageboardid]

9. "so getting revenge for the past eight years of Bush"

You think this is about "revenge?"

Are you kidding? Good lord, what board am I on? Yes, when laws are broken and lives are lost, I want people held accountable. But that's just me. Maybe Biden shouldn't have been yapping his trap every speech saying they would investigate and hold people accountable. See, when you say that almost every speech people will actually think you're serious.

[BeFree]

48. Yep

Now that is some good, constructive criticism of the incoming administration and relates to a subject that is worthy of our time and efforts. Keep it coming.

_{And some people say I am against any criticism of Obama.}

[John Q. Citizen]

39. Let's stop prosecuting bank robbers. There's too much work to be done to worry about that

bank robbery last year!

[izquierdista]

16. 60 seats aren't necessary

If Repubs are FORCED to filibuster, soon that will become old hat, they will be spotlighted as impediments and their approval will fall even further. Keep the Senate in session 24/7 and FORCE them to poison themselves. Call their filibuster bluff now, and quit quaking in your boots that the Dems have "only" 58 votes.

[mymessageboardid]

18. BINGO

The "obstructionists" tag can go both ways.

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. I just think it's funny that Bush was able to pass his entre agenda with a 1 seat majority

But we need a 2/3s majority to even think about doing anything halfway liberal.

[tavalon]

40. Yeah, they are the party of stupid ideas and we are the party of spineless ones

It's kind of sad to watch, as we have had to watch in the last two years, the Republicans schooling us on how to be an effective minority party.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Mind boggling, ain't it?

[John Q. Citizen]

35. The Repos have never held 60 seats. Ever. Have they? So how did they do it? Think !

Or is that to much to ask?

Have you really fallen for that 60 magic, fantasy, rub a dub dub number? Is that what the problem is now?

Reagan never had 60 Repos. Bush i and ii never had 60 Senators. They both managed to commit war crimes and major terrorism against civilians and to rob us blind with out a peep from the Dems.

How do you imagine they managed it?

Think, please! I know you can figure this out. I'm positive it's not beyond your capacities.

Is the motto now 60 Senators OR BUST!

Since when and who says?

[tavalon]

41. Shhhh

Must not interrupt the theater.

I wonder what the excuse for not rocking the boat will be if we get that super majority?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. The 60 seat meme is bullshit.

If we had made them filibuster the last 2 years the gains would have been even bigger, ironically giving the Dems...60+ seats.

[bvar22]

52. The Republicans NEVER had 60 seats, and....

....they managed to get every-fucking-thing-they-wanted through the Senate.
How come all the Democrats can do is whine "We don't have 60 votes...."?

[mymessageboardid]

54. "obstructionist democrats"

Because the RW kept throwing memes out like "obstructionist democrats" and the Dems in Congress would say "Ohhh noes, they are calling us obstructionists" - and would basically check their spines at the door, as usual. If we had some "obstruction" over the last 8 years, maybe we wouldn't be in this f-ing mess.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

10. No. With one hand he must offer the olive branch...

In the other, he wields the sword. Let's wait and see.

[mymessageboardid]

12. I know

But right now the only thing a sword is being used for is to cut off a bunch of olive branches.

[mondo joe]

11. Was there anything Obama said in his campaign that led you to believe things would

be other than they are?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

21. Yes.

When he talked about change I was hoping for a few more fresh (and liberal) faces in positions of power. I like Clinton and Richardson but some of the people on his economic team have me worried.

I also had no reason to believe that any Democrat would delay in rolling back the tax breaks for the rich.

[mondo joe]

25. Whenever Obama spoke of change he seemed to do it in the context of

being "post partisan" and bringing people together.

I'm not trying to be snarky with you - that's what I remember him saying.

Edit to add: this was one of the reasons I supported Clinton in the primary.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

26. True.

He did say those things. I just wish it didn't have to include people who are partially responsible for deregulating the markets and getting us into this current economic crisis.

[FrenchieCat]

13. I can't fucking wait till January 20th,

when Barack Obama will be President.

Can't fucking wait.
Cause that's when the real action starts.
Till then, I'm chillin'.

Tax cuts expire 2010.
That's how long it might take to repeal
tax cut on the rich anyhow.
There are too many other things that need
to be done, to gear up for a fight that
ain't required.

It's called playing it smart.

and the lynchpin of Obama's campaign was not increasing taxes of the rich
as much as giving a tax cut to the middle class,
among other things.
If you are going to rant, at least get your facts straight.

Far as I'm concerned, we done good!

[mymessageboardid]

15. Umm yea....

"and the lynchpin of Obama's campaign was not increasing taxes of the rich
as much as giving a tax cut to the middle class"

And he specifically said that the tax cuts for the middle class would be paid for by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the rich. I guess we'll have to wait two more years to "burden" those poor millionaires.

[FrenchieCat]

23. Well due to the economic disaster, and the large stimuli package being prepared.....

part of the package will be paying for the Middle Class tax cuts....

So, like I said, please take a chill pill. You need it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. As long as the middle class gets relief, what the hell do you care where

it comes from? Perhaps you should have run for office, since it seems you could do better. But since 60+ million people didn't vote for you, I guess you'll have to wait and see like the rest of us?

I have maintained ever since Obama's acceptance of the nomination, that it won't be the right that drags him down, it will be from pissed off Naderites & Clintonites. I don't envy the position he's in.

[mymessageboardid]

27. Whoa, testy huh?

"what the hell do you care where it comes from?"

Ummmm. Well, we do have this thing called the deficit. Since Obama campaigned on rolling back the Bush tax cuts for the rich that would pay for the middle class cuts, that would bring in an additional $200B in revenue per year. So yes, I think it's important to know where that money was SUPPOSED to come from, like he campaigned on.

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. I maintain my previous position. Were you passed over for a Cabinet position?

You seem to have such a wonderful grasp of the current economic situation. :banghead:

[mymessageboardid]

33. My position is the same position that Mr. Obama stated

during his campaign. Roll back the Bush tax cuts for the rich to fund the middle class tax cuts. But now his position is not wanting to "burden" the millionaires, very similar to what John Mccain wanted. Yikes, scary huh? :puke: :puke:

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. I tell you what..why don't you make a post about it?

You'll get plenty of recommends from the people who left in a huff during the primaries. I suspect you're either a sock puppet or a reincarnation of some sort, from that period. I'm not here to "Talk you Down" as it were. If you feel you've been had, write a LTTE, or better still...write a letter to PE Obama?

[mymessageboardid]

63. sock puppet?

??? What does that mean???

[Tarheel_Dem]

66. I'll let you figure that one out. You seem to have all the answers. (nt)

;-)

[elocs]

14. Let Democrats throw their weight around and get all smug with their power

and see how long it lasts. The Republicans learned that lesson. Will we?

[mymessageboardid]

17. So investigating and enforcing the law is "smug?"

I guess you weren't writing speeches for Joe Biden. Investigating the criminal actions of the last 8 years was part of his stump speech.

Rolling back tax cuts for the rich is "smug" when a record number of people in country are on food stamps and don't heave health insurance?

[elocs]

22. I stand by what I wrote and I believe it to be very accurate. Welcome to reality and the real world

because it often sucks. In fantasyland everything goes perfectly and all the bad people pay for their crimes and no innocent people are ever, ever hurt.

[RufusTFirefly]

19. Fantasies

"Some people argue that we’re going to sit at a table with these people and they’re going to voluntarily give their power away. I think it is a complete fantasy; it will never happen." -- John Edwards.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. !

I think if you give them a seat at the table, they'll eat all the food -- John Edwards.

[blogslut]

29. This post reminds me of a song

How can u just leave me standing?
Alone in a world that's so cold? (So cold)
Maybe I'm just 2 demanding
Maybe I'm just like my father 2 bold
Maybe you're just like my mother
She's never satisfied (She's never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When doves cry

[babylonsister]

30. Where the hell were YOU during the primaries and the GE. NOW

you are annoyed? Were you annoyed for the past 8 years? Cripes, you are tiring.

[mymessageboardid]

31. LOL

On message boards I've always been a lurker. I have been reading here for two years. I joined the day before the GE because I saw the post from the moderator stating that people might be "locked out" due to high traffic unless they were registered.

[babylonsister]

32. So donate. You would have gotten locked out otherwise. And welcome. nt

[mwei924]

36. Obama campaigned on bringing people together.

It's always been there. You either liked it or not, but don't act all surprised at what he's doing now. He told us that was his plan.

[babylonsister]

37. Yes. Thanks, mwei924, and welcome to DU! The OP is whacked. nt

[Indi Guy]

38. Glaring (unasked) couple of questions - you said, "We win by over 8,500,000 votes..." ...

Who's "We?"

Do you think that only Democrats voted for Obama?

:shrug:

[Tarheel_Dem]

61. Yes, they think only the screaming left gave Obama his victory. I

believed Obama when he said he wanted to be President of ALL the people, not just those who voted for him. If the Naderites here think they're going to (per Thom Hartmann) infiltrate and take over the Democratic Party, they are sorely mistaken. They should take into account their numbers vs. the moderate Repubs, Indies and party loyalists who voted for Obama. They may be loud, but they're outnumbered considerably.

[mymessageboardid]

64. First things first

I don't consider myself to be part of the "screaming left" as you state.

Second, Mr. Obama wouldn't even have made it to the general election without the "screaming left."

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Says you. But you don't really know that now do you? I'm convinced

that Obama was the favorite from the beginning, and if the "screaming left" didn't bother to do their homework on his policy stances, then tough shit. Do all politicians make promises they can't keep? Yes. But, I'll take my chances with Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin, thank you very much.

[alarimer]

42. Bingo. I knew this was going to happen.

Politicians lie to get elected. Anyone who believed his bullshit is a fool.

[NJmaverick]

44. Yeah why should Obama honor his promise to unite the Country?

You know there are still people in this world that care about things like honor, honesty and doing the right thing.

[pampango]

46. Dont' you just hate it when people with different beliefs try to "work together"?

Where does Obama come up with these ideas? :)

[mymessageboardid]

51. "You know there are still people in this world that care about things like honor, honesty..."

"You know there are still people in this world that care about things like honor, honesty and doing the right thing."

I wasn't sure if this post was joke or not. Honesty? Honor? Doing the right thing? Yes, I couldn't think of better words to describe holding those responsible for the last 8 years of destroying this country. Isn't that "doing the right thing?" So we should just let war criminals slide? Never have Katrina investigations (see LIEberman's chairmanship). Honesty? Yes, I want honesty from Mr. Obama, especially when his campaign was going around everyday yapping about how these people would be investigated and held responsible. Sorry, I don't want to be "united" with the same creeps and ideology that are responsible for this mess.

[TexasObserver]

45. Wow. I'm fooled.

[Marrah_G]

53. Welcome to DU

I predict you will be ripping your hair out for 8 years.

[Goblinmonger]

55. Did you think he was joking about this

during the campaign? He isn't saying he won't right what he thinks are wrongs, just that he doesn't want this to be 4 years of "revenge" which will just result in a Repub. pres in 2012.

[ecstatic]

56. grow up nt

[RethugAssKicker]

57. HEAR HEAR !....... The gutless dems here make me sick !

[BoneDaddy]

58. 85 posts hmmm

suspect

[mymessageboardid]

59. :) :) :)

So I'm "suspect" because of pointing out that Mr. Obama is already going back on campaign promises? I spent many hours volunteering at several of his Northern Virginia campaign offices. I cried tears of joy when the GE was called for him. Call me what you want. Doesn't change the fact that he is going back on what they said, PERIOD!

[bvar22]

60. Unfortunately, the emerging pattern ....

....appears to be one of breaking promises, not keeping them.

During the last year, he said he wouldn't support Immunity for Telecoms, and then voted FOR it.

He also said he wouldn't support a Bailout without protections for taxpayers and transparent accountability, and then he voted FOR, and publicly supported a No strings attached $800Billion gift package for Paulson and his Wall St buddies.

Some here don't care, but this is more than enough to cause concern for those paying attention.

I've been here a long time.
Post count means NOTHING.
Content & Quality are the only relevant factors.

[BoneDaddy]

67. Suspect yes, guilty ...I don't know

That remains to be seen but until you have enough posts, I am suspect of anyone at this point who seeks to divide. The reality is Obama is NOT EVEN PRESIDENT yet and people like you are ready to attack. You may even be correct in your statements but I, for one, will wait for his first 100 days to see what will ACTUALLY transpire.