We should support the Penn State students.....they're fighting the media...

[Joe the Revelator]

A media who is way too involved in witch hunts a lynch mobs. Rember, Paterno reported this matter as he was suppose to, to the people he was suppose to report it to. He never touched a child. But because Sandusky and the AD and the President of the school aren't interesting enough names, the media took out Joe. That should worry all of us.

[rpannier]

1. Disagree

Paterno lost me on this

In his original statement on the case, after denying that McQueary informed him of "the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report," Paterno went on to concede that "it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky."

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Which he reported....I just don't see why he's the one going down for this...

The president, the ad, and Sandusky should all burn, but Joe? I don't see it.

[LynneSin]

6. This isn't the military, there is no 'chain of command' for dealing with such vile crimes

Police take phone calls from everyone, not just College Presidents.


Even if everyone wanted to notify the person above them about what happened anyone of them should have said 'ok let's call the police now'

Joe kept his mouth shut just like the others. He is just as guilty as the rest.

Don't think I'm anti-Penn State. I was born and raised in Pennsylvania and lived less than an hour from PSU. My parents and grandparents were huge PSU fans (I was never into collegiate football).

[Joe the Revelator]

7. As far as teachers reporting possible sexual,abuse, there certainly is a chain of command.

[LynneSin]

13. So then what you are saying is we let the guy continue to sexually molest a child

and free to molest more children while we go thru protocol

Really?

Like I said - if that was YOUR child in the shower would you feel the same way?

[Joe the Revelator]

15. I'm saying that the AD and the President have the buck stop with them.

[LynneSin]

19. I'm saying if you had a child and that child was being molested you wouldn't give a rats ass...

about any chain of command.

Your mentality defends a person who stayed silent and allowed a child molester continue to molest. There were 4 men who knew - all of them could have dialed the cops. Had Joe done it he would have been a hero.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke

[onenote]

51. Shouldn't the person you blame most bethe grad student who witnessed the act

but didn't pick up the phone and call the cops?

Shouldn't he be the guy that takes the biggest fall?

Paterno failed in his responsibility and dismissing him was the right move. But the focus on Paterno is letting a lot of other folks who were equally if not more culpable (not legally but morally), going back years. The cops that investigated him, the DA that did nothing, the mother who let the matter drop, the part time janitor who saw Sandusky in action and chose not to report it.

Long line of folks that enabled Sandusky.

[LynneSin]

61. I think every single person in that chain of commands who knew what happened is responsible

And TRULY believe although I have no proof that Mike McQueary's job as a full time coach for PSU was somehow connected to all of this.

That guy is a big dude, he could have put a real hurt on Sandusky while saving the kid and calling the police but who knows how any of us would have reacted when if we were there when it happened.

But ultimately he should have said "I need to call the cops now"

It's like the movie 'The Accused'. The lawyer didn't think it was enough to punish those that committed the crime but then she went after those who watched and applauded. And they won that case too.

[lapfog_1]

56. and a law for schools (even universities) that take federal money.

The Board had to fire everyone involved because they have to protect that funding stream.

Besides the legal aspects, the moral thing for JoePa to do was to insist that the AD call the police, while he was present, after the first incident was witnessed by a janitor. Failing that, the next time the pedophile appeared in JoePa's office, he had a duty to call the police himself.

[rpannier]

11. First off he lied. Makes me wonder if he isn't lying about something else

2. Sandusky kept showing up at Penn State and unsing PSU facilities. Hell, he still had an office. He showed up with underage boys and JoePa said nothing

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. This is an interesting article that someone sent to me...

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/9/2549908/jerry-sandusky-investigation-timeline-rumors

It is very interesting that Sandusky's assumed about to be illustrious career was never embarked upon.

[zonkers]

46. His behavior is indefensible.

[pennylane100]

20. He knew someone was abusing children at the school

and when he saw that person was not being held accountable, did he show any concern for any future victims. He may not have criminal liability but he certainly is morally reprehensible and is not fit to stay on the job.

[LynneSin]

24. And there was at least one victim after the 2002 incident

Mind you this is all of those who came forward. Sandusky was running that program for years so who knows how many more are out there.

[Atman]

34. Joe the Revelator was essentially supporting Sandusky in a thread I posted.

What's up with that, Joe? You must really loves you yer football! I'm stunned by your attitude.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2275625&mesg_id=2275625

[tishaLA]

38. As I said in another post, the AD was only nominally Paterno's boss

Everybody knows Paterno ran the whole show at PSU. In 2004, when the AD and PSU Pres went to Paterno's house to get him to resign, Paterno threw them out and stayed on as coach.

The investigation didn't go anywhere IMO because Paterno didn't want it to go anywhere. Sandusky was one of his best friends; Paterno protected him. And I don't think it's coincidence that McQueary, the grad assistant who witnessed the crime, but stayed silent after reporting it to Paterno, was kept on as a coach after he finished grad school. A grotesque quid pro quo.

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. he did not report it to police. He protected his precious football program

at the expense of the lives of those little boys.

[LynneSin]

4. Oh if that was your child in the showers, you would have been happy with what Joe did

MAJOR LEAGUE FAIL

All of them from McQueary (the guy who witnessed it and now a PSU Coach) up to Spanier should all be fired.

Each of them knew none of them involved the police.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. I'd blame the AD and the President, not the person who reported it to them

[LynneSin]

12. So you're ok that no one called the police, if that was YOUR kid in the shower

You'd be ok with that. You have kids - go look at one and ask yourself this. Am I ok that not one of those men bothered to call. Would I be ok if that was my child in the shower.

The police take 911 calls from EVERYONE, no need to go thru a chain of command. I've only called 911 once in my lifetime - I spotted a car wreck in a ditch. I didn't have to call my mother first or my boss or anyone else to notify them I was calling 911. I just called because it was the right thing to do. Then I helped the person and confirmed they were ok.

Wouldn't you like to think if that was YOUR child in the shower that this would have been the course of action. Get your child to safety and call the police.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. What I'm saying is, the wrong person is taking the fall....

According to reports Paterno may not have known as much as you think he knew. He reported the allegation up the line. He did his duty.

[LynneSin]

21. THEY ALL KNEW

McQuaery witnessed the crime and calls Paterno

Paterno calls Curley (AD)

Curley calls Spanier (Prez)

So let's say Spanier was the dick and said let's keep this out of the media and not call the cops. You're ok with that. There were FOUR men who knew and they did NOTHING. The police would have investigated it if ANY of those 4 men called. They did nothing. If that was your kid in the shower, you'd be PISSED if 4 men knew about it and did nothing. If that was your kid in 2005 who was molested, you'd be pissed if you knew 4 men knew about it and chose not to stop it years ago.

They knew and none of them called.

[nobodyspecial]

23. Tell that to all of the little boys

that were molested AFTER this incident. Doing your duty as a human being is kicking up a shitstorm until action is taken to put the perpetrator in jail and prevent it from ever happening again.

The media did not cause this. They did their job and shined a light on it. We all have to send a clear message to pedophiles and their protectors. You hurt a child like this and you will be punished, even if you simply failed to act. And I call BS on just reporting it to higher-ups is all that is called for. Most educators and doctors are *required* by state law to call the police if they have any knowledge of abuse or violence.

Child sexual abuse victims are scarred for life. You obviously have no idea what this does to a person.

Anyone who had any knowledge of this and who did not make sure it was stopped should lose their jobs. And maybe the next person will think twice about what their duty is when it comes to protect children.

The next person who needs to go is the guy who called his dad and not the police. He is still coaching their. Clean house.

Some things are more important than winning a fucking football game.

[LynneSin]

25. The guy called his father and then he called Joe Paterno

He was a coaching assistant grad student then and now he's the Wide Receiver Coach for PSU. It makes me wonder how he got the job.

And btw the guy is huge - like 6'4 and 260lbs of muscle. He could have decked Sandusky on the spot and pulled the child to safety.

[liberalhistorian]

35. That's what I don't understand. I really just do not understand

why he didn't do that and protect that poor child. It is beyond my comprehension how he could have just left and not done anything. Did NO ONE involved give a shit about the victims over their fucking football team?

[LynneSin]

37. I honestly don't know what I would have done if I was Mike McQueary

I mean I couldn't deck a guy but I would try my best to get the child to safety.

I suppose that what McQueary, Paterno and the others wanted to do was protect the football program. Sandusky was a big name in PSU football and any call to the police would surely have the media showing up soon after. And in some ways I think that all of them could talk to Sandusky and could get him to stop on his own. Sandusky was like a drunk who Paterno, Curley, & Spanier tried to do an intervention. But at the end of an intervention someone goes away to get professional help but I think all Sandusky said was 'I won't do it anymore'

[liberalhistorian]

63. Well put. And, frankly,

almost EVERYTHING is more important than winning a fucking football game.

[liberalhistorian]

33. Bullshit he did his fucking duty!

His duty was to CALL THE POLICE once he knew and not just tell higher-ups and be done with it. Nothing was stopping him from doing it. What the fuck was he thinking after he saw that nothing had been done and Sandusky just went on with business as usual? Did he not give a shit about the victims? Did he not give a shit about the future victims? No, he didn't. He only cared about his precious goddamn fucking football team, which is apparently all these idiot students give a shit about as well.

His DUTY was to protect those poor innocent children, period. NOT to his fucking damned football team.

[zonkers]

47. Amen. I can't believe his defenders. I keep looking for sarcasm tags.

[liberalhistorian]

64. I know, me too!

It almost feels like bizarro-world, especially with the idiot PSU students rioting last night IN DEFENSE AND SUPPORT of Paterno. They might as well have been chanting "rape little boys, rape little boys". Unbelievable. This Cult of Sports has got to end.

[MADem]

5. Oh PLEASE. The "media" made this story up? The "media" is to blame because

some asshole fucked a LITTLE KID and another asshole didn't call the cops? And a group of assholes engaged in a coverup of the egregious abuse...times TEN...or more?

Good grief, what is wrong with some people?

Anyone who isn't appalled by this isn't human.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. The media wanted a name and a scalp

Of all the people involved, Joe has next to no culpability ,

[LynneSin]

17. Seriously, you must not have children

Because that's the only way I could see you defending this guy.

HE HAS KNOWN FOR 10 YEARS THIS GUY WAS A CHILD MOLESTOR AND THE COACH DID NOT STOP AFTER THAT INCIDENT IN 2002.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20111109/NEWS/111109024/Key-dates-Penn-State-sex-abuse-case?odyssey=mod|breaking|art3

March 27, 2002 (approximate) — The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-2006 — Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007 — During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Just think if one of them called including Joe Paterno himself the man would have not molested another child.

Joe isn't responsible for what Sandusky did before that day in 2002. Joe didn't know. But once he knew him along with everyone else should have notified the police. Personally I find all of them (McQueary, Paterno, Curley and Spanier) responsible for any child that was molested after 2002, which did happen.

[MADem]

26. You are dead wrong. "Next to no culpability?" Please. He should have called the police. NT

[tishaLA]

40. Yeah, apparently "the media" wrote the Grand Jury indictment

that contained the information that brought down Paterno. So, when Paterno said today, "I should have done more," he was obviously referring to having different media covering him.

Or something.

[RamboLiberal]

9. Joe Pa hurt Joe Pa not the media

Oh like a catholic pastor he reported it to the bishop but then never followed up when nothing was reported to the police. It was anal sex with a child! Paterno was the football program. The buck stopped on his desk.

I feel for Joe Paterno he is going out on this note but it was also a judgment lapse by him.

[AngkorWot]

16. I would imagine it's because they feel they and Joe Paterno have been wronged.

Perhaps they feel firing Paterno was a Cover Your Ass move, rather than something actually justified.

[LynneSin]

22. I grew up in that region - Joe Paterno is like a diety to these folks

But if you read the comments from the local papers including ones nearby including State College, Williamsport and Harrisburg - there isn't much support for Paterno. The guy did know and he didn't call. Even Paterno has said that in hindsight it was a mistake to not have called.

If Penn State wants to restore it's reputation Paterno and the others who knew had to go. I doubt Paterno will be arrested. He's an 89 year old man what harm can he do. He's punished enough losing the job he has held for 45 years.

What the Board of Trustees did today was say that the schools reputation as a whole is way more important that the football program. Doing this is the first step to bring honor back to the program.

[JoePhilly]

54. I'll add this to the Diety aspect .... JoePa was a GOD at PSU, and he should have acted like one.

I can imagine a lessor mortal only reporting this to "his superiors", perhaps afraid that they would get dragged into the mud, lose their own job, be tarred as a pedophile themself even though they had nothing to do with it.

But at PSU, Paterno was a GOD, he had no superiors. If he had taken this to the police, as he should have, there would have been swift action.

Now he's a fallen God.

[Atman]

18. Epic fail.

:thumbsdown:

[LynneSin]

27. That's like the Epic understatement of the year!

n/t

[redqueen]

60. +1

[liberalhistorian]

28. You've gotta be fucking kidding me. First of all, learn

to communicate a bit clearer. It's SUPPOSED, not suppose. And get the facts. Paterno was told about it from a direct witness, and he did NOTHING except report it to the president. THAT. WAS. ALL. He should have gone straight to the police. Instead he STAYED SILENT all these years, allowing the abuse to continue, allowing more children to be permanently traumatized and psychologically ruined, all the while KNOWING IT WAS HAPPENING. And what did the fucking president do? NO. THING. NOT A DAMNED THING. They both stayed silent because their fucking goddamned football team was more important. They both deserve to be out on their asses and the victims and their families need to sue the living shit out of them for pain and suffering and counseling costs. Sexually abused children never quite get over it and they're almost never the same. Do you know how many commit suicide? Do you know how many of the boys abused by priests have committed suicide over it? Do you even give a shit? Or are you like the students, only caring about the goddamn fucking football team?

The media had not a fucking thing to do with it. Paterno and company BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES. Frankly, they should be sitting in jail as well. THEY KNEW AND DID NOTHING. And THEY weren't the ones who finally brought it all out in the open and stopped the pedophiliac motherfucker, it was the high school of one of the victims who actually reported it. My son is now twenty, but if someone had done that to him as a child, I can't imagine having to deal with that and what it would have done to my son.

[LynneSin]

32. To be fair I suspect Paterno and the others told Sandusky they knew

Probably gave him a pep talk and said 'don't do it again'. Then they took away Sandusky's emeritus rights and pulled him from Second Mile activities at Penn State.

They just assumed that the matter was closed and Sandusky probably said something like "I'm getting help for my problem" blah blah blah.

Right now we know of one child molested after the 2002 incident but I suspect there were more. I was told that Sandusky was still a part of the Second Mile activities - just not at Penn State.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20111109/NEWS/111109024/Key-dates-Penn-State-sex-abuse-case?odyssey=mod|breaking|art3

[ScreamingMeemie]

36. Sandusky was considered to be Paterno's successor.

He won awards in '86 and '99 as an assistant. It was assured. Then came the first accusation. And he abruptly retired in '99, with his cushy package that still gave him access to the football buildings. No other schools came after this brilliant coach... I have to think that they all knew and tried to act like they didn't.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/9/2549908/jerry-sandusky-investigation-timeline-rumors

[LynneSin]

39. I also believe the Board of Trustees had to fire everyone to protect the school from massive lawsuit

Because any one of those kids (or all of them) have a very very strong lawsuit case against Penn State University for failure to stop this guy especially since the rumors started as far back as 1999.

By firing those involved with this case the trustees can come back and say "We didn't know what was happening but when we found out we fired them so go sue the ones who knew and didn't make the call"

[Luminous Animal]

30. He kept his mouth shut thus enabling a pedophile. He's a chickenshit.

[Rex]

31. What a stupid OP.

The shit that gets posted here...

[RamboLiberal]

41. OP & protesting Penn State students justify this

But on Friday, March 1, 2002, in an episode that those close to McQueary say left him shocked and confused — and that would return to haunt his life and the fortunes of his university years later — he entered the locker room in Penn State’s Lasch Football Building at about 9:30 p.m. to put a new pair of shoes in his locker and pick up some recruiting tapes, according to the report of the grand jury that investigated the allegations involving Sandusky. Coaches commonly keep late hours but not so much in the off-season months, like March. Besides, the lights were not on in the offices, but toward the locker room. That is not usual. And a shower was running.

According to the report, McQueary heard “rhythmic, slapping sounds,” which he believed to be those of sexual activity. He walked to his locker, opened it and put his sneakers inside. He then turned his head and looked into the shower.

He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aspiring-coach-in-middle-of-colleges-scandal.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1320908513-6zvzUtjksi5KOABW+BPYOA

[Indepatriot]

42. PATERNO SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE POLICE WHEN THE OTHERS DID NOT HE'S COMPLICIT

[MrSlayer]

43. Please. Fuck Paterno, his lack of action borders on criminal.

He should have called the cops. Hell, the fucking asshole who saw the rape happening should have beaten the shit out of the rapist and called the cops. Joe could have acted properly and made this all go away years ago. He chose not to.

[MilesColtrane]

44. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

[donheld]

45. Joe's first call should have been to the police

end of story

[distantearlywarning]

48. Worst OP Ever.

Every time I've seen the epitome of stupid on DU, something like this comes along and proves me wrong.

[seabeyond]

49. so, you as an adult, an adult with power, can do the minimal and be excused. my son loves

the man. this morning coming up with all kinds of argument to defend the man. i have taught them to argue well. he gathers his info. presents.

bottom line. an ADULT failed to protect kids. character fail

[City Lights]

50. Who the fuck is "we?" No one is stopping you, dude. Get out there and support them

if that's what you want to do.

Their actions disgust me, as does your post. Holy Joe should have notified the COPS. The media didn't take out Joe. Joe took out Joe by failing to do the right thing.

:puke:

:thumbsdown: to you and your fucking post.

[Rebubula]

52. Damn....I thought I had seen it all

You, sir, may be the most amazing poster that I have ever seen.

So...it is the MEDIA'S fault that Joe was fired???

NOT Because he knew - HE FUCKING KNEW - a CLOSE FRIEND of his was RAPING KIDS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY...and did NOT go to the cops. If the administration did nothing, Joe SURE AS FUCK SHOULD HAVE.

SOMEONE WAS RAPING KIDS AND JOE FUCKING KNEW!!!!!!!


Jesus fucking christ - you make me ill.


Fuck....

[Skidmore]

53. No way. Let those students riot because any damage they can do at PS hurts

only their school and themselves. Apparently protecting this one man is more important that the lives of young boys from underprivileged homes.

[watercolors]

55. Bull Crap!!!!!!!To many enablers who lookedthe other way!

Shame on them all.

[adigal]

57. I firmly believe he had a moral obligation to call the police

Reporting it to your authorities, and then looking the other way, is BS. He did the minimum required by law, and then continued to allow the man on campus. I am so glad he is gone. And these kids are ridiculous, they are supporting a pedophile-enabler. Shame on them all.

[Downwinder]

58. I don't support vandalism. n/t

[redqueen]

59. BS

He reported it, but not to the cops.

Once he saw that no arrest took place he should have gone straight to the police.

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