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salvorhardin

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Mon Jan 2, 2012, 07:55 PM Jan 2012

Darker Nights as Some Cities Turn Off the Lights [View all]

This is nothing new, given the perilous financial status of so many of our cities, and I know light pollution is a serious problem, but is this any solution?

"Here in Highland Park, that had been true for a while. Over a matter of years, the city accumulated a debt of about $4 million to DTE Energy, the utility company. The city was paying less than half of its $60,000 monthly bill for an antiquated lighting system that was costly to maintain. So the company and city struck a deal. The company could turn off and take away 1,300 of the city’s lights, add 200 lights in strategic locations, and the debt would be forgiven, said Scott Simons, a spokesman for DTE."
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/30/us/cities-cost-cuttings-leave-residents-in-the-dark.html?pagewanted=all


Note that earlier in the article it's mention that the city is now operating with only 500 out of its original total of 1,600 streetlights -- 31%!

Wouldn't the saner, safer, shrewder, smarter solution be for the city to float a bond to upgrade their streetlight system to be more energy efficient, and perhaps adaptive (i.e. lights that come on only we needed, or can be varied in brightness)? Oh, I know, that would require raising taxes, and we can't have that -- not even when it's a matter of safety.
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I noticed a couple nights ago about 2 in the morning I could see the stars really well Skittles Jan 2012 #1
And get DTE Energy out of the picture entirely n/t arcane1 Jan 2012 #2
That's a whole other problem in itself salvorhardin Jan 2012 #6
It's the foundation of the problem, IMO. arcane1 Jan 2012 #9
we are slowly is turning into what we used to call a "third world nation" limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #3
Privatization tends to have that effect arcane1 Jan 2012 #7
So is DTE is just sucking money out of the system to enrich their executives, limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #14
Agreed. It's 2012, not 1812. Electricity should be considered a public common. arcane1 Jan 2012 #15
:fistbump: limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #17
Add to the "etc" -- the Public Airwaves/Internet Tubes!...nt GReedDiamond Jan 2012 #24
It sounds as if floating a bond isn't really an option. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #4
I know, I understand salvorhardin Jan 2012 #8
How hard would it be to Politicalboi Jan 2012 #5
They exist salvorhardin Jan 2012 #10
It would be very hard on DTE Energy's profits n/t arcane1 Jan 2012 #11
The lights/signs along I-86 in NYS use solar panels. I don't understand why it's not done more. n/t Mnemosyne Jan 2012 #16
Do the solar panels on I-86 supplement grid power or are they purely independent? salvorhardin Jan 2012 #18
I-86 runs east from I-90 in PA, just northeast of Erie, very snowy region. I am trying to find out Mnemosyne Jan 2012 #23
Thanks, and cool. salvorhardin Jan 2012 #25
Not even when its a matter of saving money long term... napoleon_in_rags Jan 2012 #12
I wish Anchorage would do the same thing. Arctic Dave Jan 2012 #13
Who takes on the liability for this? Heywood J Jan 2012 #19
Colorado Springs did this, every other street light can now be electronically... joshcryer Jan 2012 #20
I like dark skies, but I wouldn't want to be like North Korea ThoughtCriminal Jan 2012 #21
I was in Birmingham recently and they have the lights on the interstate off. Edweird Jan 2012 #22
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