Rachel just said it very well - "your country needs you too". (Reply #158)

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Thu Jun 28, 2018, 08:47 PM

Enoki33 (1,519 posts)

158. Rachel just said it very well - "your country needs you too".

Think l understand the fear and hopelessness that makes someone think about life in another country. However, what we have here is worth fighting to retain and improve. Personally l absolutely refuse to vote with my feet, I refuse to be silent, I refuse to knuckle under the fascist propaganda, and I refuse to be ruled by a shallow empty demagogue and his bunch of enablers. The immediate goal is to get the political power to see them all branded as criminals. That is a fight worth having.

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192 replies	Author	Time	Post
This will likely piss off a few of you. [View all]	Atticus	Jun 2018	OP
I think that most that consider it will, after doing research, be surprised...	ret5hd	Jun 2018	#1
Truthfully, other countries don't want us.	leftofcool	Jun 2018	#76
Panama would be a definite consideration if I could afford it.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jun 2018	#178
unless they have sufficient means, or a relative that will sponsper them, most will find it	still_one	Jun 2018	#96
What if a company hires you?	Beartracks	Jun 2018	#99
Sure, if you have a company sponser, but that is filtered demographic with a specific skill set	still_one	Jun 2018	#100
+1	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2018	#111
Can't argue with that...nt	Wounded Bear	Jun 2018	#2
I hope it gets bad enough all the GOP assholes move	Generic Other	Jun 2018	#3
Move where?	awesomerwb1	Jun 2018	#11
I was thinking of the elite ones	Generic Other	Jun 2018	#14
Trouble is	wryter2000	Jun 2018	#72
It makes no sense	Generic Other	Jun 2018	#79
What will their take be when it's fellow US citizens who are the immigrants?	CrispyQ	Jun 2018	#22
We may not be a "melting pot" everywhere	awesomerwb1	Jun 2018	#28
Absolutely Southern California, and before long to be all of America.	Sophia4	Jun 2018	#46
I agree	awesomerwb1	Jun 2018	#71
Yes, millennials have a global perspective	radius777	Jun 2018	#130
We have this wonderful mix in St. Louis City (in Missouri) too. From Bosnia, Vietnam, ...	SWBTATTReg	Jun 2018	#57
Possible even in the south.	lark	Jun 2018	#82
Good posts in this thread, awesomerwb1!	True Dough	Jun 2018	#84
An asshole right-winger (but I'm repeating myself) whom I unfortunately know,	klook	Jun 2018	#133
I think those	bdamomma	Jun 2018	#44
They have insulated themselves from the consequences of their treason.	Orsino	Jul 2018	#191
We need to scrap the whole concept of patriotism. It's been completely parasitized.	ck4829	Jun 2018	#4
me too.	barbtries	Jun 2018	#8
I agree with you.	Mariana	Jun 2018	#21
Just like an abusive relationship	elmac	Jun 2018	#63
For me patriotism exists only on the football pitch.	Codeine	Jun 2018	#139
Patriotism is dumb	shellyleit	Jun 2018	#144
Applause!	FSogol	Jun 2018	#5
I disagree. We all make decisions that are geared toward making our lives more enjoyable.	wasupaloopa	Jun 2018	#6
Although I understand the emotions, a lot of things people threaten here crack me up and suck bigly.	Hoyt	Jun 2018	#7
No	G_j	Jun 2018	#9
I can't afford to leave other. I would if I could	LeftInTX	Jun 2018	#32
Me too! It's embarrassing how far this country has fallen!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jun 2018	#179
"I'll kindly ask that you not tell me to STFU!"	LenaBaby61	Jun 2018	#54
Thank you	Wwcd	Jun 2018	#80
yes.	Honeycombe8	Jun 2018	#90
+1. nt	Honeycombe8	Jun 2018	#91
+1	SergeStorms	Jun 2018	#151
The nastiness of some here is unreal... what have we become?!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jun 2018	#181
moreover, the damage that Putin's mobster oligarchs will inflict will be on a global scale	anarch	Jun 2018	#10
Eventually, the rest of the world will put the GOP back in their box. The world is getting	RKP5637	Jun 2018	#16
Here here.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jun 2018	#41
Really?	bentornilloed	Jun 2018	#102
Yes. US is progressive liberal nation if remove gerrymandering, dirty tricks, & voter suppression.	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2018	#156
Even with gerrymandering, dirty tricks, & voter suppression, this progressive poll suggest otherwise	bentornilloed	Jun 2018	#185
That's 9 years old. Doesn't square with other polling I've seen. For example, 67% non-conservative	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2018	#186
I think most people don't really mean it.	madaboutharry	Jun 2018	#12
madaboutharry, Very well stated....	Upthevibe	Jun 2018	#40
Good post.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jun 2018	#42
+1000	smirkymonkey	Jun 2018	#50
+1. n/t	obnoxiousdrunk	Jun 2018	#121
Some people will be doing it because they'll die otherwise. So yeah, fuck 'em, right?	Blue_Adept	Jun 2018	#13
Exactly right. Many families I know are LGBT &/or disabled &/or POC	Crash2Parties	Jun 2018	#159
Well, you're overlooking the real monkey wrench...	eallen	Jun 2018	#15
I've always thought the US would divide into different regions. There are just too many	RKP5637	Jun 2018	#20
So, the cities in one "region" and rural areas in another?	shanny	Jun 2018	#33
I was thinking of this in terms of long term, spanning decades, and perhaps a restructuring of	RKP5637	Jun 2018	#48
I agree that we are likely to have a restructuring of government after this.	shanny	Jun 2018	#61
Despartely need a constitutional convention and national referendums to address things such as	Pepsidog	Jun 2018	#74
Republicans are pretty close to the numbers they need for a con con so they are on it	lunasun	Jun 2018	#127
That's scary	Pepsidog	Jun 2018	#132
RKP5637....	Upthevibe	Jun 2018	#49
that is Putin's wish	bdamomma	Jun 2018	#53
This will likely piss off a few of you.	Blue_Adept	Jun 2018	#17
Well done.	shanny	Jun 2018	#34
somewhat equivalent but things are a lot worse in Guatemala	treestar	Jun 2018	#39
The level of "a lot worse" is very subjective	Blue_Adept	Jun 2018	#43
Still - I don't think it is privilege	treestar	Jun 2018	#95
Uh huh, yup, that's the same situation fersure!	Atticus	Jun 2018	#119
This will likely piss off a few of you.	Blue_Adept	Jun 2018	#18
Besides, it's really too late for that.	WhiteTara	Jun 2018	#19
There never really were any safe places.	Mariana	Jun 2018	#24
I know Mariana	WhiteTara	Jun 2018	#25
Amen! Fight or shut up! It's the patriotic thing to do!	Initech	Jun 2018	#23
I totally disagree	Saboburns	Jun 2018	#26
Have you thought of moving?	SMC22307	Jun 2018	#112
Come here!	Silver Gaia	Jun 2018	#169
Leaving is discussed often between my sister and I.	Corvo Bianco	Jun 2018	#27
Can't blame people wanting to	kacekwl	Jun 2018	#29
The other day I mentioned how it has privilege written all over it.	NCTraveler	Jun 2018	#30
And I see privilege over the "Oh well... we'll just vote but that's it" ideology as well	ck4829	Jun 2018	#47
"seems to me like there are too many people who don't actually want to do work politically"	NCTraveler	Jun 2018	#62
I say to each his/her own..	Cha	Jun 2018	#31
I think it will come down to moving to a Blue State	HAB911	Jun 2018	#35
So I have a patriotic duty	Jake Stern	Jun 2018	#36
Listen up please.	Crutchez_CuiBono	Jun 2018	#37
Meh! I can't afford to leave either. Finding an extra $400 would be difficult for me too. BUT...	NurseJackie	Jun 2018	#38
Great reply	Exotica	Jun 2018	#166
I can understand how people feel	LeftInTX	Jun 2018	#45
I'm in favor of discussing anything. It's what we're proud of being able to do. And	nolabear	Jun 2018	#51
Only straight, white, Christian men are safe in this country, anymore.	Coventina	Jun 2018	#52
Trump wants to deport me for being brown	IronLionZion	Jun 2018	#55
Emigrating?	bucolic_frolic	Jun 2018	#56
Costa Rica	elmac	Jun 2018	#58
Czech Republic	Berlin Expat	Jun 2018	#70
Yep	voteearlyvoteoften	Jun 2018	#59
Hell, I feel like i'm in another country when I just leave California.	Mr.Bill	Jun 2018	#60
I'm still considering swimming across Lake Ontario or Lake Erie to the promised land!	democratisphere	Jun 2018	#64
Can't you just drive across either the Rainbow or Peace Bridge?	dflprincess	Jun 2018	#162
I think about it all the time	Clarity2	Jun 2018	#65
Telling scared people to stfu is wrong. Accusing frightened people of frivolously	uppityperson	Jun 2018	#66
+ 1	Clarity2	Jun 2018	#67
Seriously, no other country would want me	Freddie	Jun 2018	#68
I agree	Trueblue Texan	Jun 2018	#69
I'm not planning on moving, I'm planning on dying.	Still In Wisconsin	Jun 2018	#73
I signed up and fought for our country so,,,,,	Cryptoad	Jun 2018	#75
Hey Atticus	thewhollytoast	Jun 2018	#77
My response to this crap to work as hard as possible to turn Texas blue	Gothmog	Jun 2018	#78
I do not see the ones wanting out as being elitist or unpatriotic.	Doreen	Jun 2018	#81
I agree	workinclasszero	Jun 2018	#83
Their side fights harder than ours	qazplm135	Jun 2018	#85
What's happening now is hardly "the first setback or negative result". nt.	Mariana	Jun 2018	#124
I wonder if Jews in 1937 Germany heard the same message	mainer	Jun 2018	#86
Do you really think, say Canada, is going to let the poor and lower middle class from America	workinclasszero	Jun 2018	#92
When the house catches on fire, opinions will vary on how soon to evacuate. n/t	Orsino	Jun 2018	#87
Evacuate? You should stay in the house and fight the fire! nt.	Mariana	Jun 2018	#135
Until the point at which safety means evacuation.	Orsino	Jun 2018	#171
I'm sorry, that's a bad analogy	stopwastingmymoney	Jun 2018	#183
And if you've got loved ones who are more vulnerable...	Orsino	Jul 2018	#188
I disagree. It's okay ....	Honeycombe8	Jun 2018	#88
Mexico is inexpensive and we can walk to it, any American can afford to immigrate there.	braddy	Jun 2018	#89
The drug cartel is very dangerous there.	Honeycombe8	Jun 2018	#93
3 kids & 7 grandkids. I'll be sticking around.	dameatball	Jun 2018	#94
Personally, I have family that I love and care about. How unconscionably selfish and heartless	YOHABLO	Jun 2018	#97
I agree	Rebl2	Jun 2018	#98
Hmmm. If you had a time machine and could go back to Germany in 1934,	PoindexterOglethorpe	Jun 2018	#101
I tend not to bring it up except in posts attacking people who move overseas.	meadowlander	Jun 2018	#103
Thank you!	G_j	Jun 2018	#109
I agree	moose966	Jun 2018	#104
I understand the anger	heaven05	Jun 2018	#105
Thank you. N/t	NNadir	Jun 2018	#106
Spoken like a straight white male probably Christian.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2018	#107
And this means what?	MicaelS	Jun 2018	#131
Sorry---that is just too messed up to merit a meaningful response. nt	Atticus	Jun 2018	#134
Would you have said that..	cannabis_flower	Jun 2018	#108
Personally know of a Jewish family who left early for China &survived . For some of us it eventually	lunasun	Jun 2018	#125
It's arrogance. For some reason, Americans think they can move anywhere.	EllieBC	Jun 2018	#110
Thanks for the reality lesson	workinclasszero	Jun 2018	#129
Fantastic post. Thank you.	MicaelS	Jun 2018	#113
I was planning to go to Mars. Nt	BootinUp	Jun 2018	#114
I kind of agree	TNLib	Jun 2018	#115
We are taught as children that this is the greatest country in the world	iwillalwayswonderwhy	Jun 2018	#116
You really have no right to stand in judgement	lunatica	Jun 2018	#117
Any time we express an opinion about a post or a poster, we are	Atticus	Jun 2018	#128
Yes. I am judging you	lunatica	Jun 2018	#137
You chose an appropriate moniker. nt	Atticus	Jun 2018	#143
You fail in your intended insult	lunatica	Jun 2018	#146
Sorry we are at odds. These are stressful times. Tomorrow will be a new day. I will try to	Atticus	Jun 2018	#147
I get what you are saying. But I have a Gay daughter who will be endangered with	Demsrule86	Jun 2018	#118
I am gay. I have no worries or plans for sneaking across any borders lol.	Tipperary	Jun 2018	#120
Gorsuch is in the mode of Scalia who always wanted to continue with a law against	Demsrule86	Jun 2018	#123
Most people have no clue how difficult it is to emigrate to another country.	Tipperary	Jun 2018	#122
I'm a dual citizen. My other citizenship: the UK!	VMA131Marine	Jun 2018	#126
Agree with you, Atticus	SCantiGOP	Jun 2018	#136
To add to this	IndianaKev	Jun 2018	#138
Huh? NT	Atticus	Jun 2018	#141
I love America...	shellyleit	Jun 2018	#140
I believe that in today's	billh58	Jun 2018	#142
Yeah, you are probably right: "All is lost! No use to fight. No use to resist. Hell,	Atticus	Jun 2018	#145
More like self-fulfilling	billh58	Jun 2018	#174
So, if we vote, no other objections or opposition is necessary? No need	Atticus	Jun 2018	#184
Again, you are putting words in	billh58	Jun 2018	#187
The Countries I looked Into	NewEnglandAutumn	Jun 2018	#148
I am sorry to hear that	mnhtnbb	Jun 2018	#150
Or you could use the ignore button.	mnhtnbb	Jun 2018	#149
First, I have never used the "ignore" button as I don't think THAT is "democratic".	Atticus	Jun 2018	#152
as a humanist	Kurt V.	Jun 2018	#153
Great, your choice not to use the button just	mnhtnbb	Jun 2018	#157
I really hope I'll have that option if it comes to it, but	ecstatic	Jun 2018	#154
Doesn't piss me off in the slightest.	warmfeet	Jun 2018	#155
Rachel just said it very well - "your country needs you too".	Enoki33	Jun 2018	#158
Hear Hear	iamthebandfanman	Jun 2018	#160
It took me a while to think how to respond to this, as I "left" a long time ago	DFW	Jun 2018	#161
Aww poor you, I didn't ask to be born in this country.	a la izquierda	Jun 2018	#163
I had a moment...	Olafjoy	Jun 2018	#164
You lost me instantly with your patriot claptrap and your 'STFU' arrogant bark	Exotica	Jun 2018	#165
Does this only apply...	Thyla	Jun 2018	#167
Seriously	GeorgeGist	Jun 2018	#168
Good thing your ancestors didn't listen to you	Boomer	Jun 2018	#170
Of course you have the right to leave...	brooklynite	Jul 2018	#189
I'm Leaving Whether You like it or Not	louis c	Jun 2018	#172
We're leaving. Doesn't mean we won't continue to vote. But we're leaving.	GoneOffShore	Jun 2018	#173
The 'love it or leave it' shtick was idiocy then as it is now.	LanternWaste	Jun 2018	#175
+1000. I'm not leaving, but I don't I feel I have a country anymore. (nt)	Paladin	Jun 2018	#176
L-O-fucking-L at "unpatriotic aspect"	Spider Jerusalem	Jun 2018	#177
I have no intention of shutting up. Quite the contrary.	MrModerate	Jun 2018	#180
Telling people to STFU...	BlueJac	Jun 2018	#182
some have wondered about central america for years	dembotoz	Jul 2018	#190
And in other countries, it's always something else.	betsuni	Jul 2018	#192

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