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jalan48

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53. The Lady doth Protest too much.

Sun Sep 9, 2018, 10:16 AM

Sep 2018

Her coach admitted he was using hand signals but Serrena denied looking, I guess he just can't help himself even though Serena never looks!. Serena got caught breaking the rules and it was embarrassing for her. That's why she couldn't let it go.

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Billie Jean King: "Thank you Serena Williams for calling out double standard-More voices needed..." [View all] kpete Sep 2018 OP

I'd feel better about all of this janterry Sep 2018 #1

That's not all the coach said. He said that every coach of every player does this all the time... brush Sep 2018 #102

Perfectly true but I don't support male tennis players smashing racquets or malaise Sep 2018 #2

Did you notice no one complained or said the Japanese coaches were coaching...this is a deflection. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #5

I have never seen you or others complain about males smashing racquets or malaise Sep 2018 #10

++ nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #23

What would happen in football if you called the referee a thief? Red card or yellow? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #27

You are missing the point about double standards n/ t malaise Sep 2018 #31

Malaise, I get your point...and agree with it. But defending bad behaviour because of other Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #33

Where did you see me defend bad behavior? N/t malaise Sep 2018 #36

Not you! on the thread...generally speaking...sorry for the misunderstanding on that! Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #41

Cool malaise Sep 2018 #43

You just blew your argument MiniMe Sep 2018 #55

Cornet didn't go ballistic when warned about the shirt. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #44

Who has their "coach on court?" No one. You're making up shit. stopbush Sep 2018 #62

OK then malaise Sep 2018 #82

Pointless. No one is allowed to have their coach on court during a Slam event. stopbush Sep 2018 #86

I did not say slam malaise Sep 2018 #87

Your post was specific to yesterday's match, which was a Slam. stopbush Sep 2018 #88

What Japanese coaches? malaise Sep 2018 #21

I think this op-ed in WaPo covered it well. Ilsa Sep 2018 #24

"...one of Williams' last bids for all-time greatness. ? pangaia Sep 2018 #51

That got a "WTH?" from me, too. No reason to look for an ice floe! Ilsa Sep 2018 #78

nah, wrong nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #25

what japanese coaches? nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #26

Naomi had a coach there I am assuming...was her coach coaching...during this match? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #29

Have to agree justie18 Sep 2018 #46

I was disappointed in her too at first MuseRider Sep 2018 #77

Spot on! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #179

Males have given a lot more abuse, smashed more racquets, used fouler language, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #3

Because she was losing Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #93

BS. She specifically called out to the crowd to stop the bowing and complimented Naomi for her play. brush Sep 2018 #103

A crowd that she riled up with her hostility and theatrics Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #119

You really don't know what happened do you? Pam Shriver and Chris Everett both... brush Sep 2018 #125

It's Chris Evert not Chris Elliot and she's a very nice person. Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #131

Why such dislike for an American player by some Americans? brush Sep 2018 #132

Lol Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #133

Yeah, really. And it's pretty obvious. brush Sep 2018 #136

Uh huh Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #138

You need to read this. brush Sep 2018 #143

really heaven05 Sep 2018 #153

For actually understanding tennis, it's history and the rules of the game? That's racist, lol? Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #171

I do not care whether you heaven05 Sep 2018 #174

Whaa?? LOL Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #177

It is in 99.9% heaven05 Sep 2018 #152

She most certainly did not. Demit Sep 2018 #109

But Singles tennis is not a group sport Tursiops Sep 2018 #166

It's only a tournament rule, not a rule of tennis. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #168

thank you, Billy Jean heaven05 Sep 2018 #4

Serena Doesn't Need To Cheat To Win Me. Sep 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #19

Yes, yes, and yes. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #108

hmmmm heaven05 Sep 2018 #117

As A Woman RobinA Sep 2018 #178

reject all you please heaven05 Sep 2018 #180

John McEnroe was called hysterical and was penalized for his similar behavior oberliner Sep 2018 #6

I immediately thought of McEnroe, who complained a lot and was largely considered to be an asshole. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #34

No one is calling Serena hysterical...but McEnroe parlayed his hysterics into fame and fortune, even Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #42

Yeah, but he's still an asshole. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #48

Some of McEnroe's fines whistler162 Sep 2018 #54

Thank you for pointing out the facts. John Fante Sep 2018 #79

overblown faux outrage heaven05 Sep 2018 #182

Ms Osaka as a POC heaven05 Sep 2018 #183

Translation: anyone who criticizes Serena is racist. John Fante Sep 2018 #184

you said it heaven05 Sep 2018 #186

37 years ago? Are you serious? ecstatic Sep 2018 #123

Of course they do... tenderfoot Sep 2018 #141

I didn't see a single person referring to Serena as hysterical LisaM Sep 2018 #7

Agreed. Her behavior was totally unprofessional. Trust Buster Sep 2018 #8

Yes it was. She is the one who should apologize. milestogo Sep 2018 #12

no need to apologize nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #22

Apologize for what? Double standards? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #65

Any evidence that women players are penalized more John Fante Sep 2018 #81

Apologize for unsportsmanlike behavior. milestogo Sep 2018 #97

You have it SO completely backwards... I see Serena as a hero for standing up against that bullshit. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #127

I see someone who thinks she is bigger than the game. milestogo Sep 2018 #134

It never ceases to amaze me the capacity people have for twisting things Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #139

Yeah, it never ceases to amaze me either. milestogo Sep 2018 #142

Never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss blatant sexism. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #145

But it's not blatant. It's not a given here. Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #148

You have the right to your opinion. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #157

That pos cartoon has racism written all over it. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #159

nah, wrong nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #20

+1000 Pachamama Sep 2018 #11

nah, wrong nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #18

Care to explain why he/she is wrong? John Fante Sep 2018 #83

not to you or anyone heaven05 Sep 2018 #91

Exactly! justie18 Sep 2018 #50

She owes the judge an apology janterry Sep 2018 #70

The one percent versus the ref who made 450 dollars Tursiops Sep 2018 #161

Of course there is a double standard MuseRider Sep 2018 #9

Methinks I lend credence to Serena and Billie Jean griloco Sep 2018 #14

Those saying it wasn't a woman thing, DON'T follow tennis. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #104

I've been following tennis since 1975 Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #120

Or she's a witch zentrum Sep 2018 #15

It doesn't make it right Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #122

I agree. zentrum Sep 2018 #151

It does apply to men Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #170

i feel so bad for Osaka. Kurt V. Sep 2018 #16

I don't and NEVER WILL heaven05 Sep 2018 #17

i can't help feeling for her. it should have been a great moment not a sad one, Kurt V. Sep 2018 #28

I doubt that poster cares RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #32

It was already a blowout before the 2nd set started...Osaka had her number...coach intervened... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #37

Not necessarily. Someone always wins the 1st set. Doesn't mean the match is over. brush Sep 2018 #156

Nah- Naomi played great tennis all tournament malaise Sep 2018 #30

I still won't heaven05 Sep 2018 #35

OK malaise Sep 2018 #39

No logic needed at times. She DID NOTHING WRONG. But punish her if it makes you feel better. nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #47

logic, in cases like this, is for heaven05 Sep 2018 #56

1%? ok. nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #58

Let me clarify heaven05 Sep 2018 #59

Making up your own truth is fun! nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #61

actually heaven05 Sep 2018 #63

You realize Osaka is a minority also? Miss that part? nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #64

Nope Inescapable heaven05 Sep 2018 #69

They admit they didn't even watch the match RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author John Fante Sep 2018 #85

Unless she was in on the ump being on her side she is innocent in this nini Sep 2018 #75

ok nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #89

Naomi was whipping Serena comfortably. John Fante Sep 2018 #84

ok nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #90

Naomi was whipping Serena comfortably. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #106

How is this related to yesterday's match in any way? John Fante Sep 2018 #114

For holding Serena accountable for her deplorable actions? Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #94

nothing deplorable about Serena heaven05 Sep 2018 #95

She's verbally abused linesman and refs repeatedly over the years and that's verifiable. Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #98

you can hate heaven05 Sep 2018 #116

Hate? Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #118

yes hate heaven05 Sep 2018 #154

Aw, poor baby Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #172

no heaven05 Sep 2018 #173

Uh huh Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #176

you are heaven05 Sep 2018 #181

Wow, compelling argument Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #188

He's a dick nini Sep 2018 #105

Is it OK to abuse referees just because she is a woman? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #38

Also not okay to impose double standards. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #66

What is your evidence of double standards? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #68

While I agree with BJK, Serena was wrong underpants Sep 2018 #40

Pure nonsense Hav Sep 2018 #45

Serena was classless and went off her nut because she was going to lose. Botany Sep 2018 #49

On another note BeyondGeography Sep 2018 #52

The Lady doth Protest too much. jalan48 Sep 2018 #53

Within the past year, Kyrgios has twice been penalised a point for name calling muriel_volestrangler Sep 2018 #57

Serena was inappropriate, but her premise was 100% correct. jayddrew Sep 2018 #60

He invoked a rule that her team was breaking. janterry Sep 2018 #72

She's a black and a woman. She should just have shut up and taken it. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #107

I support Serena. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #67

Then you support her engaging in verbal abuse and bullying Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #92

Nope, I support her lashing out against the WTA's blatant sexism... and, frankly, racism too InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #121

No, it's not "plainly evident to everyone". Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #126

Well, it should be. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #128

No, it shouldn't be Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #135

The only mess is that which has been created by the WTA that leads to crap like this... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #144

Okay fangirl Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #149

So do I. She's had to put up with so much crap over the years. Demit Sep 2018 #112

It's gotten fuckin' ridiculous!!! Good for Serena standing up against the bullshit InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #124

Serena Was WRONG, Period WiffenPoof Sep 2018 #71

That point when she 'flipped' the switch janterry Sep 2018 #73

Lleyton Hewitt made a racist DAMN fool of himself at the 2001 US Open... LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #110

Thank you for pointing out the blatant double standards Serena is fighting against. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #129

Thank you for pointing out the blatant double standards Serena is fighting against. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #150

Thanks for that response... AWESOME post! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #155

Unless she knew this umpire moondust Sep 2018 #74

Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #76

Everyone should listen to this from Serena Williams. Gothmog Sep 2018 #96

She is doubling down and portrying herself as the victim. redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #100

Meh. Serena is just another in a long line of athletes who made asses of themselves. redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #99

Never has a male tennis player had a game taken from him b/c he called the chair ump a name. Demit Sep 2018 #113

Serena lost a game because it was her third infraction. John Fante Sep 2018 #115

The warning for her, against her coach coaching, was a crap call. Demit Sep 2018 #147

Not really. Illegal coaching is rife, yes. But other players are called on it Tursiops Sep 2018 #160

Ace!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #130

Really... are you sure about that? whistler162 Sep 2018 #164

Yes Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #137

Some one once said whistler162 Sep 2018 #101

It blows me away that so many people refuse to believe a woman knows sexism when she sees it. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #111

I am with you! disenfranchised Sep 2018 #140

Thanks. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #187

The Whole Thing Was Troubling colsohlibgal Sep 2018 #146

This should have never been couched in gender politics Tursiops Sep 2018 #158

Belinda Cordwall (now that I have your attention) brettdale Sep 2018 #162

Hmm. Sorry, going to go with Billy Jean King on this one. kcr Sep 2018 #165

Serena has a htory of going after umpires males or females brettdale Sep 2018 #167

I'm with Serena Williams. It seems though from the start of the tournament Serena was a target. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #163

Martina Navratilova: Serena Lost the Plot brettdale Sep 2018 #169

Well said Martina Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #175

Thank you BJK Wawannabe Sep 2018 #185