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MiniMe

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55. You just blew your argument

Sun Sep 9, 2018, 10:22 AM

Sep 2018

"The referees consistently enforce them". Actually, they don't. Even the commentators were saying that coaching happens in every match, and is rarely called. Oksana's coach was coaching her too, the ref didn't mention that or penalize her for it. And going back to McEnroe, Conners, and many other men who have yelled at refs and called them names, they almost never got penalized for it.

Oksana played a great match, and I have a lot of respect for her for her play, and for her ability to focus on the match rather than all the confusion and booing. Nothing should take anything away from Oksana's play.

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Billie Jean King: "Thank you Serena Williams for calling out double standard-More voices needed..." [View all] kpete Sep 2018 OP

I'd feel better about all of this janterry Sep 2018 #1

That's not all the coach said. He said that every coach of every player does this all the time... brush Sep 2018 #102

Perfectly true but I don't support male tennis players smashing racquets or malaise Sep 2018 #2

Did you notice no one complained or said the Japanese coaches were coaching...this is a deflection. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #5

I have never seen you or others complain about males smashing racquets or malaise Sep 2018 #10

++ nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #23

What would happen in football if you called the referee a thief? Red card or yellow? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #27

You are missing the point about double standards n/ t malaise Sep 2018 #31

Malaise, I get your point...and agree with it. But defending bad behaviour because of other Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #33

Where did you see me defend bad behavior? N/t malaise Sep 2018 #36

Not you! on the thread...generally speaking...sorry for the misunderstanding on that! Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #41

Cool malaise Sep 2018 #43

You just blew your argument MiniMe Sep 2018 #55

Cornet didn't go ballistic when warned about the shirt. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #44

Who has their "coach on court?" No one. You're making up shit. stopbush Sep 2018 #62

OK then malaise Sep 2018 #82

Pointless. No one is allowed to have their coach on court during a Slam event. stopbush Sep 2018 #86

I did not say slam malaise Sep 2018 #87

Your post was specific to yesterday's match, which was a Slam. stopbush Sep 2018 #88

What Japanese coaches? malaise Sep 2018 #21

I think this op-ed in WaPo covered it well. Ilsa Sep 2018 #24

"...one of Williams' last bids for all-time greatness. ? pangaia Sep 2018 #51

That got a "WTH?" from me, too. No reason to look for an ice floe! Ilsa Sep 2018 #78

nah, wrong nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #25

what japanese coaches? nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #26

Naomi had a coach there I am assuming...was her coach coaching...during this match? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #29

Have to agree justie18 Sep 2018 #46

I was disappointed in her too at first MuseRider Sep 2018 #77

Spot on! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #179

Males have given a lot more abuse, smashed more racquets, used fouler language, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #3

Because she was losing Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #93

BS. She specifically called out to the crowd to stop the bowing and complimented Naomi for her play. brush Sep 2018 #103

A crowd that she riled up with her hostility and theatrics Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #119

You really don't know what happened do you? Pam Shriver and Chris Everett both... brush Sep 2018 #125

It's Chris Evert not Chris Elliot and she's a very nice person. Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #131

Why such dislike for an American player by some Americans? brush Sep 2018 #132

Lol Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #133

Yeah, really. And it's pretty obvious. brush Sep 2018 #136

Uh huh Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #138

You need to read this. brush Sep 2018 #143

really heaven05 Sep 2018 #153

For actually understanding tennis, it's history and the rules of the game? That's racist, lol? Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #171

I do not care whether you heaven05 Sep 2018 #174

Whaa?? LOL Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #177

It is in 99.9% heaven05 Sep 2018 #152

She most certainly did not. Demit Sep 2018 #109

But Singles tennis is not a group sport Tursiops Sep 2018 #166

It's only a tournament rule, not a rule of tennis. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2018 #168

thank you, Billy Jean heaven05 Sep 2018 #4

Serena Doesn't Need To Cheat To Win Me. Sep 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #19

Yes, yes, and yes. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #108

hmmmm heaven05 Sep 2018 #117

As A Woman RobinA Sep 2018 #178

reject all you please heaven05 Sep 2018 #180

John McEnroe was called hysterical and was penalized for his similar behavior oberliner Sep 2018 #6

I immediately thought of McEnroe, who complained a lot and was largely considered to be an asshole. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #34

No one is calling Serena hysterical...but McEnroe parlayed his hysterics into fame and fortune, even Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #42

Yeah, but he's still an asshole. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #48

Some of McEnroe's fines whistler162 Sep 2018 #54

Thank you for pointing out the facts. John Fante Sep 2018 #79

overblown faux outrage heaven05 Sep 2018 #182

Ms Osaka as a POC heaven05 Sep 2018 #183

Translation: anyone who criticizes Serena is racist. John Fante Sep 2018 #184

you said it heaven05 Sep 2018 #186

37 years ago? Are you serious? ecstatic Sep 2018 #123

Of course they do... tenderfoot Sep 2018 #141

I didn't see a single person referring to Serena as hysterical LisaM Sep 2018 #7

Agreed. Her behavior was totally unprofessional. Trust Buster Sep 2018 #8

Yes it was. She is the one who should apologize. milestogo Sep 2018 #12

no need to apologize nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #22

Apologize for what? Double standards? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #65

Any evidence that women players are penalized more John Fante Sep 2018 #81

Apologize for unsportsmanlike behavior. milestogo Sep 2018 #97

You have it SO completely backwards... I see Serena as a hero for standing up against that bullshit. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #127

I see someone who thinks she is bigger than the game. milestogo Sep 2018 #134

It never ceases to amaze me the capacity people have for twisting things Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #139

Yeah, it never ceases to amaze me either. milestogo Sep 2018 #142

Never ceases to amaze me how some people so easily dismiss blatant sexism. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #145

But it's not blatant. It's not a given here. Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #148

You have the right to your opinion. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #157

That pos cartoon has racism written all over it. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #159

nah, wrong nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #20

+1000 Pachamama Sep 2018 #11

nah, wrong nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #18

Care to explain why he/she is wrong? John Fante Sep 2018 #83

not to you or anyone heaven05 Sep 2018 #91

Exactly! justie18 Sep 2018 #50

She owes the judge an apology janterry Sep 2018 #70

The one percent versus the ref who made 450 dollars Tursiops Sep 2018 #161

Of course there is a double standard MuseRider Sep 2018 #9

Methinks I lend credence to Serena and Billie Jean griloco Sep 2018 #14

Those saying it wasn't a woman thing, DON'T follow tennis. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #104

I've been following tennis since 1975 Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #120

Or she's a witch zentrum Sep 2018 #15

It doesn't make it right Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #122

I agree. zentrum Sep 2018 #151

It does apply to men Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #170

i feel so bad for Osaka. Kurt V. Sep 2018 #16

I don't and NEVER WILL heaven05 Sep 2018 #17

i can't help feeling for her. it should have been a great moment not a sad one, Kurt V. Sep 2018 #28

I doubt that poster cares RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #32

It was already a blowout before the 2nd set started...Osaka had her number...coach intervened... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #37

Not necessarily. Someone always wins the 1st set. Doesn't mean the match is over. brush Sep 2018 #156

Nah- Naomi played great tennis all tournament malaise Sep 2018 #30

I still won't heaven05 Sep 2018 #35

OK malaise Sep 2018 #39

No logic needed at times. She DID NOTHING WRONG. But punish her if it makes you feel better. nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #47

logic, in cases like this, is for heaven05 Sep 2018 #56

1%? ok. nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #58

Let me clarify heaven05 Sep 2018 #59

Making up your own truth is fun! nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #61

actually heaven05 Sep 2018 #63

You realize Osaka is a minority also? Miss that part? nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #64

Nope Inescapable heaven05 Sep 2018 #69

They admit they didn't even watch the match RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author John Fante Sep 2018 #85

Unless she was in on the ump being on her side she is innocent in this nini Sep 2018 #75

ok nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #89

Naomi was whipping Serena comfortably. John Fante Sep 2018 #84

ok nt heaven05 Sep 2018 #90

Naomi was whipping Serena comfortably. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #106

How is this related to yesterday's match in any way? John Fante Sep 2018 #114

For holding Serena accountable for her deplorable actions? Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #94

nothing deplorable about Serena heaven05 Sep 2018 #95

She's verbally abused linesman and refs repeatedly over the years and that's verifiable. Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #98

you can hate heaven05 Sep 2018 #116

Hate? Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #118

yes hate heaven05 Sep 2018 #154

Aw, poor baby Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #172

no heaven05 Sep 2018 #173

Uh huh Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #176

you are heaven05 Sep 2018 #181

Wow, compelling argument Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #188

He's a dick nini Sep 2018 #105

Is it OK to abuse referees just because she is a woman? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #38

Also not okay to impose double standards. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #66

What is your evidence of double standards? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #68

While I agree with BJK, Serena was wrong underpants Sep 2018 #40

Pure nonsense Hav Sep 2018 #45

Serena was classless and went off her nut because she was going to lose. Botany Sep 2018 #49

On another note BeyondGeography Sep 2018 #52

The Lady doth Protest too much. jalan48 Sep 2018 #53

Within the past year, Kyrgios has twice been penalised a point for name calling muriel_volestrangler Sep 2018 #57

Serena was inappropriate, but her premise was 100% correct. jayddrew Sep 2018 #60

He invoked a rule that her team was breaking. janterry Sep 2018 #72

She's a black and a woman. She should just have shut up and taken it. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #107

I support Serena. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #67

Then you support her engaging in verbal abuse and bullying Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #92

Nope, I support her lashing out against the WTA's blatant sexism... and, frankly, racism too InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #121

No, it's not "plainly evident to everyone". Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #126

Well, it should be. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #128

No, it shouldn't be Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #135

The only mess is that which has been created by the WTA that leads to crap like this... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #144

Okay fangirl Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #149

So do I. She's had to put up with so much crap over the years. Demit Sep 2018 #112

It's gotten fuckin' ridiculous!!! Good for Serena standing up against the bullshit InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #124

Serena Was WRONG, Period WiffenPoof Sep 2018 #71

That point when she 'flipped' the switch janterry Sep 2018 #73

Lleyton Hewitt made a racist DAMN fool of himself at the 2001 US Open... LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #110

Thank you for pointing out the blatant double standards Serena is fighting against. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #129

Thank you for pointing out the blatant double standards Serena is fighting against. LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #150

Thanks for that response... AWESOME post! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #155

Unless she knew this umpire moondust Sep 2018 #74

Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #76

Everyone should listen to this from Serena Williams. Gothmog Sep 2018 #96

She is doubling down and portrying herself as the victim. redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #100

Meh. Serena is just another in a long line of athletes who made asses of themselves. redgreenandblue Sep 2018 #99

Never has a male tennis player had a game taken from him b/c he called the chair ump a name. Demit Sep 2018 #113

Serena lost a game because it was her third infraction. John Fante Sep 2018 #115

The warning for her, against her coach coaching, was a crap call. Demit Sep 2018 #147

Not really. Illegal coaching is rife, yes. But other players are called on it Tursiops Sep 2018 #160

Ace!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #130

Really... are you sure about that? whistler162 Sep 2018 #164

Yes Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #137

Some one once said whistler162 Sep 2018 #101

It blows me away that so many people refuse to believe a woman knows sexism when she sees it. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #111

I am with you! disenfranchised Sep 2018 #140

Thanks. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #187

The Whole Thing Was Troubling colsohlibgal Sep 2018 #146

This should have never been couched in gender politics Tursiops Sep 2018 #158

Belinda Cordwall (now that I have your attention) brettdale Sep 2018 #162

Hmm. Sorry, going to go with Billy Jean King on this one. kcr Sep 2018 #165

Serena has a htory of going after umpires males or females brettdale Sep 2018 #167

I'm with Serena Williams. It seems though from the start of the tournament Serena was a target. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #163

Martina Navratilova: Serena Lost the Plot brettdale Sep 2018 #169

Well said Martina Sugarcoated Sep 2018 #175

Thank you BJK Wawannabe Sep 2018 #185