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BumRushDaShow

(128,970 posts)
33. Personally
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 05:07 PM
Nov 2018

I had always wondered about all the transport costs (basically by ship) if you wanted to sell world-wide - which is why a decision was eventually made to actually build plants "locally" to serve that "local" market (in whatever country). It took awhile but the Japanese & German car companies finally started doing that here and we there.

However there is that case where they were getting to the point of idling or closing plants "local" to the U.S. making vehicles destined for the U.S. market, and then building the plants in countries that didn't have much if any minimum wage (and that local populace couldn't afford a car either), and then "importing" (but not considered "import" because the owners were U.S.-based) them back here.

And over the years, there seemed to be a chicken-egg thing going on with the sedan vs the SUV/crossover and GM was one of the biggest ones first chasing the SUV market because they felt it was "more profitable", regardless of whether people could afford them or not, and regardless of what the demand was for a "family sedan". So at that point, by dropping sedan (or even coupe) lines, they didn't give consumers any good choices for that size. And depending on how the gas prices were doing, you had consumers opting for the larger vehicles - but often because there really wasn't any other options from the American car makers (I ran into that problem). So once they limited supply of of those items, then they pointed and said - "See? Look! These crossovers/pickups/SUVs are what the consumer wants!!!!11111", which in turn further justified them dropping those smaller classes of cars because they had put themselves into a bubble universe.

And with the Wall Street head honchos repeating their mantras of demanding companies must have 10+% profits (vs the 1% - 5% profits being respectable in the past) and they had to produce large dividends for stockholders, they guilted companies into moves that ultimately screwed the consumer. I.e., the shareholders came first and the consumer second. So I really think the blame also lies in the business media that pushed these companies to this point...

Meanwhile the consumer, still wanting some type of sedan, left the American companies in droves and went to the "budget" and moderate-priced foreign companies - whether the various Japanese companies like Nissan or Mazda, Korean companies like Kia, or European companies like Suburu or VW or Saab, and by then, getting parts for these vehicles was not as onerous as in the past when they had to be imported, so that sealed it.

I remember when the Taurus was literally one of if not the top-selling sedan for years for Ford... But it was like they got "bored" with it and decided to dick with it, then drop it, until they finally realized what bubble-world can do to you, so they brought it back but now it's too late. They then sortof rejiggered and tried the Focus - which again shot up there as a top-seller, but then here came that chase for the profits and larger cars (and the soon-to-be resurrection of the Bronco - due in 2020 to add to their Escape/Explorer/Expedition).

One of those most amazing transformations that I have seen along that large vehicle line was the creation of the 4-door pickup truck! They were all 2 doors with a bench seat, then suddenly they were stretched so you had 2 full front doors and 2, half-size passenger doors... And now you have 4 full doors. And when you have a whole generation (millennials) who grew up in minvans, they refused to get any of those, so they have opted for the SUVs. Mission accomplished (except for those who have money to buy EVs)!

Five are closing, and that means a hell of a lot to the people who are working there. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #1
Don't forget impacts to the parts distributors, logistics, local restaurants, gas stations, etc. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #20
Yes, on NPR they said that every job at the plant equals seven in the town ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #22
Little? Just another 10k manufacturing jobs leaving the midwest. FSogol Nov 2018 #2
uh huh, right. tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. nt Javaman Nov 2018 #3
It wasn't just 1. It was at least 5. BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #4
I counted 70 plants total on the list of those currently operating ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #16
I think the protestations in the thread are more about the impact to the workers BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #18
I think after Detroit went bust, auto companies started shifting their paradigm of production ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #23
Personally BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #33
Who is arguing, from the perspective of the company, this is the end of the world? LanternWaste Nov 2018 #34
Your list and your point PJMcK Nov 2018 #5
Very true, and I hope my edit clarifies my position ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #14
Sure, go tell that to the thousands losing their jobs awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #6
I love how Trump claims to be anti-global - but keeps saying "they're coming back" hexola Nov 2018 #7
The damn fool talks about globalization as evil, but he has businesses all over the globe. The guy RKP5637 Nov 2018 #11
Try telling the 14,000 or so people losing their jobs how "very little" it means. WillowTree Nov 2018 #8
Oshawa Car Assembly, Canada is closing Tripper11 Nov 2018 #9
This is the biggest layoff I can remember - anyone? hexola Nov 2018 #10
Do you mean in the auto industry or in particular. Hugin Nov 2018 #12
Both - just looking for some context - nt hexola Nov 2018 #13
Here BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #19
It's not even as big as GM's 2009 layoff round, that was 49,000 Recursion Nov 2018 #26
well, I used to work for Digital Equipment Corporation .... kwassa Nov 2018 #30
trumps threats will only make more businesses reject him duforsure Nov 2018 #15
Thanks for sharing corporate logic with us. What's one plant closing in the US anyway? It's of... brush Nov 2018 #17
You're absolutely right. I am sharing corporate logic to make a point ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #25
Take your eye off the ball for even a minute newblewtoo Nov 2018 #21
Warren Ohio will be devestated...there are not many jobs and now there will be fewer...so can we Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #24
Who is pretending? I'm certainly not ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #27
Probably not in Warren itself, no; people will need to move closer in to Youngstown or Pittsburgh Recursion Nov 2018 #28
Off subject a bit, but the rise in Health Care jobs is often hospice, home-care type jobs libdem4life Nov 2018 #31
Youngstown is 15 minutes from Warren...and Pittsburgh is over an hour over some of the worst Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #36
No, I will not "spare you" the description of the job openings in that area Recursion Nov 2018 #38
Not every person can be a nurse or whatever...did you miss the part where I told you one of our Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #40
Isn't this the deal that The Cretin was "demanding" that they stay in the US? libdem4life Nov 2018 #29
What amazes me is that his brand is global, yet he seems to understand nothing about ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #32
I think GM is in trouble personally fescuerescue Nov 2018 #35
The one in Oshawa is also closing oberliner Nov 2018 #37
GM banked $2 billion in profits from its China operations last year dalton99a Nov 2018 #39
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