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In reply to the discussion: OMG the Joy show is absolute shit right now [View all]not fooled
(6,807 posts)80. Charlie Pierce has written great pieces on this bullsh*t
re Warren and the NA ancestry issue.
Basically, it's "Damned if she addressed the issue and damned if she didn't", and throw in that it's all designed to turn the narrative away from her policy proposals.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25713946/elizabeth-warren-announce-run-for-president-2020/]
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23845480/elizabeth-warren-native-american-dna-test-media-coverage/]
I am reminded of the account in Horace Porter's book about campaigning with Ulysses S. Grant of how sick Grant was of hearing his officers worry about what Robert E. Lee was going to do.
The general rose to his feet, took his cigar out of his mouth, turned to the officer, and replied, with a degree of animation which he seldom manifested : "Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do."
You can't run a campaignmilitary or politicalwith an attitude like that. After all, absent direct confrontation, what would be SPW's other options? Ignore the smears and calumny? Ask Presidents Dukakis, Kerry, and Hillary Rodham Clinton how that worked out.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23787339/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-pocahontas-native-american-heritage/]
Yes, I am very sorry that our politics is in such a degraded state that it was even necessary for Senator Professor Warren to jump through this particular hoop. After all, the whole thing has been a buffoonish smear from the start, and it hasn't even been that much of a drawback to her political success.
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This is all part of the "Horse Race" narrative designed to keep one watching "their" channels
Sherman A1
Feb 2019
#1
I generally like Joy, but agree with the philosophy of discussing policy, not nonsense, likability
c-rational
Feb 2019
#2
while I agree that Warren has not handled the NA issue at all well, the knives are out to destroy
hlthe2b
Feb 2019
#3
He's a master propagandist. He knows how to work the media and The Stupid in America. n/t
RKP5637
Feb 2019
#7
Yep!!! Sad, but true. No candidate will ever be perfect to all people. The GOP uses that as a tool
RKP5637
Feb 2019
#63
Russian social media trolls serve lies that are spread by bots and shared by low-information voters
John1956PA
Feb 2019
#43
Sadly often the nonsense and crap is what attracts viewers. For example, hate sells well in
RKP5637
Feb 2019
#6
I think she cut him to ribbons, and laid bare the bullshit that Schultz and his
bullwinkle428
Feb 2019
#23
Read the application! It clearly states the question was for statisical purposes only.
LakeSuperiorView
Feb 2019
#115
It was very similar to her coverage yesterday before Sen. Warren's Presidential announcement.
demmiblue
Feb 2019
#21
That's sad. I would expect Joy to do better & focus on substance over nonsense.
CaptainTruth
Feb 2019
#24
Yes; both awful although Tweety has been pretty hard on Trump for last 6 months or so
Evolve Dammit
Feb 2019
#106
Yes I believe there are many positive things to say about Liz Warren's time in government
FakeNoose
Feb 2019
#56
Agree. If Joy wants to go back to this then maybe her history of homophobic remarks
Quixote1818
Feb 2019
#134
I didn't have a problem with her show. I liked that she called out that spokesperson for Schultz...
George II
Feb 2019
#103
Thanks, that makes it easier to assess. I think we're going to lose Doug Jones - we were lucky....
George II
Feb 2019
#136
Agreed. They (media) did it to Kucinich in 2004 as well. Marginalized and maligned him mostly.
Evolve Dammit
Feb 2019
#105