We should have been colonizing the solar system by now.

[klook]

398. "Consies," they were called

in Gravy Planet by two of the greatest Futurians, Frederik Pohl and Cyril Kornbluth. (To your point #3.)

Yes, the conflict between conservatives and progressives (sometimes accused of "socialist conversion&quot was central to the New Wave brouhaha. Funny that this still stirs such emotions 42 years after Harlan Ellison claimed the controversy had been "blissfully laid to rest."

As I say, I'm no flag-waver for the so-called "New Wave" or any other sub-genre, but Samuel Delany's three Hugos seem to be some evidence of fan enthusiasm. (Or is he not a member of the New Wave in your book? Sorry, I don't pay much attention to categories sometimes....) I'm not aware of what turns on "soggy English profs," but I'm guessing it's not Nova. (Zelazny? Frank Herbert? Silverberg? Spinrad? All have been lumped in with the "New Wave," and the fans made them all Hugo award winners.)

Time will tell whether the socialist agenda of Futurians such as Don Wollheim, Damon Knight, and Isaac Asimov comes to pass.

Bob, I suggest we both take a deep breath, realize we're not going to see eye to eye on this issue, and join forces in defeating Republicans.