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48. This is not a change to doctrine in the least

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Original post)

Fri Jun 18, 2021, 06:14 PM

Jun 2021

This was ALWAYS doctrine. This is being reported on as if it is something new. It is not. No Catholic who aids or supports or encourages or whatever an abortion is supposed to receive communion. It is a grave sin. The bishops are just clarifying the catechism of the church.

If you facilitate or help or support or whatever an abortion you are not allowed communion. The thing they are discussing is whether the Bishop should step in and let a communicant know the church teaching and tell them they have been excommunicated.

A practicing catholic is not supposed to go to communion of their own accord - because they have gravely sinned. They have effectively been excommunicated ALREADY (latae sententiae excommunication).

https://catechism.cc/articles/abortion-excommunication.htm

I was raised Catholic. This has always been church teaching.

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