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PTWB

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55. I only scratched the surface.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 06:51 PM
Dec 2021

The OP began yelling and screaming in all caps bold, so I didn't feel like it would be worthwhile to go much deeper.

Revamp the NFA because it is ineffective and burdensome. I do not suggest liberalizing the registration of full autos, at all. But full autos aren't the only items on the NFA--the NFA also regulates short barrel shotguns, short barrel rifles, and sound suppressors (among others). There are arbitrary restrictions here that are essentially meaningless.

For example, you can purchase a short barrel AR-15 pistol with a brace that is essentially identical to a short barreled rifle but does not require registration. For all intents and purposes they're the same gun.

Another example is that you can purchase an AR-15 pistol and convert it into a rifle by adding a buttstock (assuming the barrel length is 16 inches or greater), but cannot purchase an AR-15 rifle and convert it into a pistol by removing the buttstock, even though in both configurations the firearm is identical in every way. The only difference is whether the box 'pistol' or 'rifle' was checked at the time of purchase.

These types of antiquated regulations do not enhance public safety and are simply annoying and burdensome to lawful gun owners. There is no reason to keep them so why not barter with them?

My proposal would be to add minimum standards (training, testing, background check, & set renewal periods) at the federal level for states to enact to grant concealed carry licenses to residents. Any state that meets or exceeds those minimum standards would then enjoy national reciprocity for such licenses. We do the same thing with driver's licenses. This accomplishes two things: it raises the bar to get a concealed carry license (which I have) and it protects licensed carriers in states that otherwise may not recognize their license.

Additionally, I'd mandate that every gun transfer is subject to a background check, whether that is through a dealer or private. We'd have to streamline this process for cases where a family member is inheriting a large number of firearms from a collector, for example, but it wouldn't be hard to do. This would eliminate the 'gun show loophole' and give us another effective tool to combat straw purchasing.

I’d also add a federal safe storage law mandating minimum standards for gun storage in and outside the home.

In exchange for the universal background checks and safe storage law, I'd suggest removing sound suppressors from the NFA and treating them like firearms--subject to the now universal background checks. I'd also suggest rewording much of the language in the NFA to remove the ambiguity (the ATF currently defines a shoestring as a machine gun, sometimes, for example) and clarify exactly what constitutes a pistol, a rifle, any other weapon, and modernize the entire registration process for NFA items so that these things don't take over a year to register.


I'd also change the $200 per NFA tax stamp to a one time $200 lifetime NFA license tax. The current tax disproportionately negatively impacts minorities and the impoverished.

While we are talking about background checks, I'd also add more red flags for violent misdemeanors and give folks who are subject to those red flags a streamlined and free-of-charge process to dispute those flags. We want the red flags to be effective and comprehensive without violating due process.

Some folks may balk at the delisting of suppressors from the NFA and of national concealed carry reciprocity, but I think they're reasonable bargaining chips and are worth trading for universal background checks and minimum standards for concealed carry. At the end of the day we'll have meaningful gun control and gun owners will be happier.

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It's been nine years. [View all] AndyS Dec 2021 OP
6 year olds shot to ribbons in their classroom. And our leaders didn't care enough to do anything. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #1
Obama and Biden tried really hard to do something iemanja Dec 2021 #4
Yes in all fairness they did. But we need more than a few leaders willing to do something. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #8
The Pain, and Frustration are Very Real, but please... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #7
I know I can be given to hyperbole. But that is what the rest of the world thinks. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #9
Most Americans are not killing each other, but we have a gun happy electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #15
You underestimate the numbers of people with guns. llmart Dec 2021 #20
🤔 I wasn't as clear as I should have been... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #32
Only 32% own a gun, according to the last poll I saw. Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #71
Americans are like the Germans who did nothing about the death camps. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #22
I stand with you on your comments. llmart Dec 2021 #21
We do nothing, nothing at all. We can not defend our inaction. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #23
I share your outrage 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000....% spanone Dec 2021 #2
Russia is the glue that holds them together housecat Dec 2021 #5
Russia doesn't have to send an army to kill us. We are doing it for them. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #11
with only their money housecat Dec 2021 #41
And Putin didn't spend a great deal of money to bring down the US. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #47
I didn't know that. Can you say more about that please? mahina Dec 2021 #45
The NRA... mrsadm Dec 2021 #18
👍🏼 spanone Dec 2021 #46
Destroy keithhs28 Dec 2021 #3
Destroy the 2A before it destroys us. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #12
I was sitting in my classroom at the time, (my students were at Music). 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #6
I tend to drink a bit too much on Dec 14. AndyS Dec 2021 #10
Also, fuck Alex Jones and Infowars to the highest of hells. Initech Dec 2021 #13
Was he one of the ones talking about "crisis actors"? Geeebz! electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #16
Yes. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #31
Yeah. electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #36
And even when he's offline, he's a garbage POS. Initech Dec 2021 #39
Yup, I knew he was a garbage person the first time I heard about him. Initech Dec 2021 #37
Like Eisenhower made the Germans look at death camps, Americans should be made to look at the Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #14
This I agree with. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #30
A backlash would confirm the self-centered, irresponsible stance of the populace. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #43
It was that day when I realized Leith Dec 2021 #17
This is the day that I realized we are all to blame. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #27
Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #19
Their hobby is more important to them than America's children. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #24
This is when I came to terms with the fact that nothing would change. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #25
It's not over and it doesn't have to be this way,. nt AndyS Dec 2021 #26
What does this say about our national character? Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #28
Those Germans who fought against the Nazi regime were willing to pay a big price. Kaleva Dec 2021 #35
There's nothing wrong with me. Or you. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #29
We let donors have more say than voters mahina Dec 2021 #33
The supreme court inthewind21 Dec 2021 #83
It's been the main argument every election for me and mine to turn out mahina Dec 2021 #88
We're not going to pass gun control legislation unless we change our strategy. PTWB Dec 2021 #34
FUCK GUN OWNERS! AndyS Dec 2021 #38
I just told you compromises that would work. PTWB Dec 2021 #40
FUCK GUN OWNERS! AndyS Dec 2021 #42
Brother, you really don't know what you're talking about. PTWB Dec 2021 #44
I've read that post a dozen times. AndyS Dec 2021 #48
Nonsense. PTWB Dec 2021 #49
Yes, and what we are doing is sucking up to gunners. Time to try AndyS Dec 2021 #50
Good luck. PTWB Dec 2021 #51
Thanks again for being the lone gunner to show up in a Sandy Hook AndyS Dec 2021 #52
Thanks for being the guy that would rather rage against gun owners... PTWB Dec 2021 #53
You haven't advocated for control iemanja Dec 2021 #59
Nonsense. PTWB Dec 2021 #61
Your post labeled "I only scratched the surface" iemanja Dec 2021 #63
If this doesn't work, I don't think anything will. PTWB Dec 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Dec 2021 #84
Its really hard to understand why you've been failing. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #66
Congratulations on being the second gunner in a Sandy Hook thread. AndyS Dec 2021 #67
You do you, boo. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #68
Dude. Chill. You're not helping anyone when you're like this, yourself included. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #69
You called voluntary gun buy backs a threat iemanja Dec 2021 #57
There are voluntary buybacks and mandatory buybacks. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #70
The more accurate term for "mandatory buyback" being "confiscation", mind you. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #72
No Hero, the more accurate term for mandatory buyback is AndyS Dec 2021 #74
Actually, both terms would apply. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #76
Eminent domain typically requires the ceased property to be used by government (eta: public use) SYFROYH Dec 2021 #77
To quote so many gunners, "Nonsense". AndyS Dec 2021 #78
Because you cited the US Constitution, I thought you might have remembered what you read. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #81
*sigh* This is so fucking tedious. AndyS Dec 2021 #82
Except its not a Sandy Hook Massacre thread -- its a thread about legislation since Sandy Hook. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #85
You ought to be careful calling others callus. PTWB Dec 2021 #86
It is difficult to have a rational discussion on this issue when one side consistently attacks Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #89
I hadn't considered that, good point. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #80
That's how I see it, too. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #75
I don't see that your suggested starting points do anything but make life easier for Gunners. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #54
I only scratched the surface. PTWB Dec 2021 #55
OK, well that all sounds well and good. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #56
If it doesn't work, nothing will. PTWB Dec 2021 #62
Well said nt iemanja Dec 2021 #58
I think this is a particular problem far too many people deny exists. Torchlight Dec 2021 #60
Every year, I think what those kids could be doing today IzzaNuDay Dec 2021 #65
If Sandy Hook wasn't Emile Dec 2021 #73
Thank you for making your first post here on DU in this thread! Welcome to DU, Emile. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2021 #79
Exactly. PTWB Dec 2021 #90
My right wing brother Bettie Dec 2021 #87
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