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27. DOJ isn't being asked to give up physical possession of the classified documents

Sat Sep 17, 2022, 10:40 PM

Sep 2022

The order provides that Trump's lawyers, if they have the requisite clearance, can review them in a controlled environment. And after they've reviewed them, the special master will review them subject to the same conditions. DOJ will continue to have possession of the classified documents, can review them, but is subject to restrictions on their use (for example, they can't be used in a grand jury presentation. But just letting Trump's lawyers review the classified documents, even with the appropriate clearances, is extremely problematic at this stage of a criminal investigation. It is as much the impact on that investigation as the threat to national security from Trump's lawyers or the SM getting to the review them, that is the driving force behind DOJ's appeal.

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What happens if the DOJ refuses to hand over the classified documents to the Special Master? [View all] Raven Sep 2022 OP

can joe intervene or does it go to scotus then? samnsara Sep 2022 #1

Joe can't intervene and the DOJ would be held in contempt. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #3

Nah, they can still appeal to SCOTUS. NT Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #16

If the 11th Circuit rules against them ripcord Sep 2022 #17

SCOTUS can issue the stay pending appeal Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #21

Nonsense. (On there's only being two choices) FBaggins Sep 2022 #28

But Cannon's ruling suggests she/ the SM could determine Trump is the rightful owner of the docs Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #33

The evaluated scenario was that SCOTUS agreed FBaggins Sep 2022 #35

If Garland was found in contempt, who would enforce that ruling? Raven Sep 2022 #5

We have a constitutional crisis. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #7

theyre co equal branches one shouldnt be able to order the other around Fullduplexxx Sep 2022 #14

Nope SCantiGOP Sep 2022 #18

The argument is DOJ should defy the court, get sanctioned, and then force the court to enforce it. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #24

That's not an argument SCantiGOP Sep 2022 #25

That's why I'm not making it. BTW Andrew Jackson defied a court order. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #26

It wasn't coincidence SCantiGOP Sep 2022 #32

Checks and Balances Zeitghost Sep 2022 #34

Who (and what army) would enforce the court order against the president? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #15

No one. Congress could impeach him. But that's about it. Buckeyeblue Sep 2022 #8

Just about everything the AG does requires the judicial branch to play along FBaggins Sep 2022 #31

IDK but it is a good thing this isnt in reverse, cons would start SHOOTING if Eliot Rosewater Sep 2022 #2

if they refuse the documents would likely be declared inadmissible at any future trial Takket Sep 2022 #4

Inadmissible on what grounds? Raven Sep 2022 #6

Imaginary/bullshit 4th Am violations RockRaven Sep 2022 #9

Who Says He'll Ever Suffer Any Consequences? nt SoCalDavidS Sep 2022 #11

The documents in question are those seized via SW on 8/4 Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #12

There aren't any PRA charges FBaggins Sep 2022 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Sep 2022 #30

Then it goes to SCOTUS, and DOJ would seek a stay of the 11th ruling pending appeal. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2022 #10

Then the entire DoJ will be arrested and put in jail. Fair play and equal protection, y'know. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #13

I think this might be moot. DOJ won't refuse an order, if appeals fail Raven123 Sep 2022 #19

Obviously dweller Sep 2022 #20

Then the DOJ does as suggested. Igel Sep 2022 #22

Make Copies. You know Trump has. Captain Zero Sep 2022 #23

DOJ isn't being asked to give up physical possession of the classified documents onenote Sep 2022 #27