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Major Nikon

(36,843 posts)
70. All of the things you mentioned are control functions
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 05:27 AM
Dec 2022

You may believe those things are benevolent and benign, but that doesn’t make them any less controlling. The whole idea Jesus was taking Mosaic law and telling his followers what it really meant makes it even more so, not less so.

You hit the nail on the head when you said the gospels were written many decades after the fact. The likelihood Jesus actually said any of the things attributed to him is quite remote. So what we really have is a mythological perspective of Jesus rather than an actual one.

What does seem reasonable is he was a Rabbi that had his own followers and operated the same way organized religion has always operated. As far as giving to those in need is concerned, the real meaning is you give to the church and the church distributes to those in need after taking their cut off the top. Those in need wound up getting very little if anything as priority is given to “spreading the word”. Jesus certainly didn’t revolutionize that concept as it was in place thousands of years before he came along and still operates that way today thousand of years later.

The mythological perspective has Jesus feeding people with tons of fish and bread with hocus pocus. The reality was he was taking in donations, paying his logistical expenses, and taking out a salary for himself and his workers whether modest or generous, and if there was any left over it might (or might not) have found its way to those in need. His followers were Jewish people of the area and decidedly lower and middle classes of people who would have had very little disposable income to give to him. It’s hard to imagine he was providing that much in the way of support to anyone who needed it which perfectly explains the need for making up the literally magical ways he was making all those things happen. You don’t get there any other way.

When you try to reconcile the mythology with the reality you are left with the undeniable conclusion those two things were very different. The idea even Jesus himself practiced what he is alleged to have preached seems pretty far afield from what must have really been going on. However much we think modern Christians stray from that mythology, there’s no real reason to believe the first ones operated any differently. They simply take what is written down and form their own dogmatic and doctrinal viewpoints, which equates to controlling or at least attempting to control the behaviors of everyone around them.

That's a depressingly high percentage. DavidDvorkin Dec 2022 #1
the two highest groups are black christians (76%) and blacks in general (68%) Celerity Dec 2022 #57
and ironically jcgoldie Dec 2022 #2
and many are Civid deniers too viva la Dec 2022 #24
If they keep denying climate change Mad_Machine76 Dec 2022 #41
I heard this when I was a kid having to sit in church w/ doomsday sermons. Deuxcents Dec 2022 #3
Pathetic. Religion is a cancer on the country. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #4
a cancer on the world Skittles Dec 2022 #26
So true. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #42
that's the 40% who behave in awful ways nt msongs Dec 2022 #5
They're not the "woke" ones who follow the teachings of Christ. Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #9
Jesus most certainly spoke of the end times according to the bible Major Nikon Dec 2022 #19
But they are not following Jesus' other teachings. wnylib Dec 2022 #63
Who does? Major Nikon Dec 2022 #68
Jesus used Mosaic law as a method of control?? wnylib Dec 2022 #69
All of the things you mentioned are control functions Major Nikon Dec 2022 #70
Good grief! Talk about mythologies. You have wnylib Dec 2022 #73
You are trying to tell me what Jesus was, said, or did Major Nikon Dec 2022 #81
Nonsense Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #75
So you are judging me, a perfect stranger, for "judging people you know NOTHING about". Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #83
No way 40% think that. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #6
You act like people are consistent Silent3 Dec 2022 #11
I'm not acting and you do t know me. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #35
"Act" as in "speak as if", not as in performing Shakespeare Silent3 Dec 2022 #48
Okay professor your psychoanalysis is noted. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #49
It's not that surprising Major Nikon Dec 2022 #20
It's not a matter of like it or not. I Don't believe that number. Period. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #51
Not sure who you mean by "we" Major Nikon Dec 2022 #55
Well I guess I'll have to remain a mystery you. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #56
Hardly a mystery at all Major Nikon Dec 2022 #62
I agree with you. Maybe half that number. we can do it Dec 2022 #50
Just an opinion. We all have them. Thanks. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #54
It could be if you get an Mr.Bill Dec 2022 #52
I see some American rancher sent some red-haired cattle to Israel. Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #7
Because even though the Almighty is almighty... Mister Ed Dec 2022 #15
That's right True Dough Dec 2022 #17
Red haired cow as an end times sign? wnylib Dec 2022 #64
Numbers 19. Red Heifer. Apparently the messiah will sacrifice it? I'm not good on Biblical language. Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #66
The book of Numbers is a bit early for Messianic wnylib Dec 2022 #67
About four-in-ten U.S. adults believe humanity is 'living in the end times' J_William_Ryan Dec 2022 #8
About 4 in 10 American adults also cannot find their ass with both hands... RockRaven Dec 2022 #10
When the rapture comes SCantiGOP Dec 2022 #12
When you got evangelicals constantly... Xolodno Dec 2022 #13
I kind of wonder which generation will stop believing we're living in the end times sakabatou Dec 2022 #14
Well, with the way climate change is progressing True Dough Dec 2022 #18
If Jesus returns, Repubs will lock him up or shoot him for being a non-white hippie libtard. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #16
The breakdown of who believes this may surprise people muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 #21
9% of Atheists think it's the End Times, 14% of Agnostics, 30% of "nothing in particular". maxsolomon Dec 2022 #43
I don't think so Major Nikon Dec 2022 #71
For Christians, and for Jesus himself, wnylib Dec 2022 #65
Need a poll on how many whistler162 Dec 2022 #22
I wouldn't believe it. nt Buns_of_Fire Dec 2022 #27
Exactly. Last month we learned the reliability of polls. They aren't. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #36
My mom is 75 - not a Jesus perspective JustAnotherGen Dec 2022 #23
My two favorite arguments (depending how trollish I feel) Horse with no Name Dec 2022 #25
That's what I like to tell the rapturists. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2022 #28
I Need To See WAY More Detail ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #29
They split it up by denomination, and also ask questions about Jesus returning muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 #32
That Doesn't Make It Better ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #33
It's 39% of all Americans muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 #34
Then I Question The Results ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #39
The answer is 42, but what is the question? old as dirt Dec 2022 #84
If only the bellicose could wipe themselves out BadgerKid Dec 2022 #30
La Cancion Del Final Del Mundo (Live) old as dirt Dec 2022 #31
In every generation since biblical times this has been the case. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #37
They may be right, but I wonder if there has ever been a time when a minority of people Chainfire Dec 2022 #38
"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. Dysfunctional Dec 2022 #40
I was skeptical until... jcgoldie Dec 2022 #44
No wonder they don't want to help humanity lindysalsagal Dec 2022 #45
the End Times actually are coming. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #46
Our sun won't go supernova, it'll just swell into a red giant (deadly enough)... Silent3 Dec 2022 #59
And people say I'm the pessimist! maxsolomon Dec 2022 #61
+1000 roamer65 Dec 2022 #80
Actually, a lot less time to disaster. roamer65 Dec 2022 #79
That number Elessar Zappa Dec 2022 #47
It's easier to sit back and watch things burn than to do something gratuitous Dec 2022 #53
Even though the question seems to be specifically about "return of Jesus" End Times... Silent3 Dec 2022 #58
Take away the biblical definition of "end times" WarGamer Dec 2022 #60
I would agree. roamer65 Dec 2022 #78
My concern is that as the impacts of climate change gets worse the threat of tyranny also increases Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #72
Considering that death is final, we've always lived in the end times.... KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2022 #74
How did they phrase the questions? I tend to think severe climate change is "the end" ... Hekate Dec 2022 #76
The "end times" are simply going to be humans suffering the repercussions of their past actions. roamer65 Dec 2022 #77
News Event: 2022 Doomsday Clock Announcement old as dirt Dec 2022 #82
The answer is 42, but what is the question? (link included) old as dirt Dec 2022 #85
Who is causing it? The same people that want it? LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #86
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