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In reply to the discussion: Because apparently it needs to be said. [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)27. Cash flow possibly but not an actuarial surplus
If you are adding more to the trust fund but significantly increasing future obligations because you are significantly increasing future obligations because you are adding a higher percentage of younger workers then that doesn't mean the trust fund is gaining a 'surplus'.
COVID had a temporary positive impact on SS payments (unfortunately). Could amount to $20 billion this year.
SS Trust fund cannot barrow to meet payments. If the Chief Actuarial Officer determines that the are unable to meet future needs then the law requires that payments to beneficiaries are automatically cut.
Currently it looks like that will happen in 2035.
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html
The concepts of solvency, sustainability, and budget impact are common in discussions of Social Security, but are not well understood. Currently, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects program cost to rise by 2035 so that taxes will be enough to pay for only 75 percent of scheduled benefits. This increase in cost results from population aging, not because we are living longer, but because birth rates dropped from three to two children per woman. Importantly, this shortfall is basically stable after 2035; adjustments to taxes or benefits that offset the effects of the lower birth rate may restore solvency for the Social Security program on a sustainable basis for the foreseeable future. Finally, as Treasury debt securities (trust fund assets) are redeemed in the future, they will just be replaced with public debt. If trust fund assets are exhausted without reform, benefits will necessarily be lowered with no effect on budget deficits.
The author is the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration.
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It very well IS AND ENTITLEMENT,, because we did work for it, we are entitled to it.
HUAJIAO
Jun 2023
#1
Exactly. I've never understood the opposition to the term "Entitlement." But
Silent Type
Jun 2023
#2
We need to stop voting for people who refuse to end the cap. Why are these fucking people held up
onecaliberal
Jun 2023
#4
And there you go, as R. Reagan would say, defining the essential mission of the GOP.
jaxexpat
Jun 2023
#74
"We" don't vote for these people. But the magats in a separate reality only hear each other and vote
housecat
Jun 2023
#58
Which is exactly why it is an entitlement. Entitled means it is owned to you.
we can do it
Jun 2023
#18
It's only fair to raise the wage cap. There are more millionaires/billionaires than ever. Plus, most
allegorical oracle
Jun 2023
#40
It might be fair, but it won't happen unless a lot more Democrats are elected.
Silent Type
Jun 2023
#44
It's because the right has demonized the word "entitlement," just as it did the word "liberal"
wackadoo wabbit
Jun 2023
#57
right,, repubs have twisted the meaning of the word, the media runs with that meaning
HUAJIAO
Jun 2023
#22
Frankly, the only real entitlements are the ones the Repugs like to grant themselves --
KPN
Jun 2023
#3
Republicans have always been against Social Security because it is for workers and not
Lonestarblue
Jun 2023
#11
They've been doing it for a very long time. They've succeeded in a very big way.
onecaliberal
Jun 2023
#48
Believe that was the fantasy of the Laffer Curve and supply side economics, that if the rich aren't
allegorical oracle
Jun 2023
#42
Interesting -- thanks for that info. It's such a complex balancing act and that's before three years
allegorical oracle
Jun 2023
#56
You're right onecaliberal -- we worked for it - us and our employers paid for it. n/t
iluvtennis
Jun 2023
#28
The OP stated "Social Security is OUR money. It exists because WORKERS PAY INTO IT."
grantcart
Jun 2023
#38
So? It is still counted in the amount that employers consider their total payment to an employee,
pnwmom
Jun 2023
#65
No its not. Its counted as an employer expense just like an electric bill or other business expense
grantcart
Jun 2023
#66
House GOP releases budget that would 'destroy Social Security as we know it'
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2023
#72
It is in the old Republican DNA and now the MAGA Republican DNA - they want to take our Social Secur
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2023
#80