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Emrys

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34. What about it?

Reply to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 10, 2023, 07:39 AM

Jul 2023

You said you were in line with humanitarian organizations. I've just quoted humanitarian organizations' words to correct your misconception.

The article at your link reiterates that almost verbatim:

Is using them a war crime?

Use of cluster bombs itself does not violate international law, but using them against civilians can be a violation. As in any strike, determining a war crime requires looking at whether the target was legitimate and if precautions were taken to avoid civilian casualties.

"The part of international law where this starts playing [a role], though, is indiscriminate attacks targeting civilians," Human Rights Watch's associate arms director Mark Hiznay told The Associated Press. "So that's not necessarily related to the weapons, but the way the weapons are used."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cluster-munitions-explainer-1.6899740

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'Terrible mistake': human rights groups decry sending cluster bombs to Ukraine [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2023 OP

So the Russians have already dumped thousands of duds everywhere in Ukraine but DURHAM D Jul 2023 #1

Russia used chemical weapons, lets give them that too! And all the napalm bombs too! Hua! Shanti Shanti Shanti Jul 2023 #5

Nukes! I vote nukes. You get a nuke! You get a nuke! AkFemDem Jul 2023 #6

Cleaning out the dusty, rusty old bombs, for your shiny new bombs! Buy Textron stock, today! Shanti Shanti Shanti Jul 2023 #10

+1 flying rabbit Jul 2023 #14

I agree - it is madness malaise Jul 2023 #2

Apparently abandoning the moral high ground on banned weapons isn't a problem anymore! Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #24

Our friends and allies AkFemDem Jul 2023 #3

Also- Ukraine has been using cluster bombs throughout this war AkFemDem Jul 2023 #4

I would prefer we not send them but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2023 #7

Yeah no need, some other civilian will. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2023 #15

+1 Celerity Jul 2023 #22

Yes, much better for the Russians to kill civilians with indescriminate attacks. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #28

However, you can open the shells of the ones we are sending and arm drones with individual bombs. haele Jul 2023 #21

Fit for tat makes all the civilians go dead...I am with UN and humanitarian agencies...who isn't?? Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #25

Understood. haele Jul 2023 #27

Cluster bombs are banned for a reason. Monstrous. Ofc the Pentagon will make a PowerPoint Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #31

"if a nation uses these weapons it's a war crime" Emrys Jul 2023 #32

And then there's this.... Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #33

What about it? Emrys Jul 2023 #34

Surely another military at war supplied with monster weapons will use them properly! Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #35

It sounds like you don't agree with supplying Ukraine with any weapons at all Emrys Jul 2023 #36

Strawman. Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2023 #37

Huh? Not at all. Make your mind up and stop shifting the goalposts from one post to the next. Emrys Jul 2023 #38

CMC report a year ago: Russia uses cluster bombs 'extensively' BeyondGeography Jul 2023 #8

Doesn't make it right. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #9

What you can't seem to accept over numerous threads Emrys Jul 2023 #11

Not at all sure what you mean by "what I can't accept". I do not accept the use of cluster bombs. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #16

I pay attention to Ukraine and threads about it. Emrys Jul 2023 #19

Disagree BeyondGeography Jul 2023 #12

Wow, you don't remember all the threads about the horror of cluster bombs that Saddam was using? BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #17

This isn't a unilateral war of choice by a foreign power BeyondGeography Jul 2023 #18

It's a moral decision. kentuck Jul 2023 #13

People with morals. TheProle Jul 2023 #23

Do you think Ukrainians want to bomb their own citizens? W_HAMILTON Jul 2023 #20

Cluster munitions are still manufactured -- and in many nations that have Hortensis Jul 2023 #26

Munitions wont win this war, air superiority could but Ukraine will never have that, ever Shanti Shanti Shanti Jul 2023 #29

+1000 nt WarGamer Jul 2023 #30

I'm really against us doing this AntivaxHunters Jul 2023 #39