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8. PALESTINE: PEACE NOT APARTHEID

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Sun Oct 22, 2023, 10:13 AM

Oct 2023

The book is about Palestine, the occupied territories, and not about Israel. Forced segregation in the West Bank and terrible oppression of the Palestinians create a situation accurately described by the word. I made it plain in the text that this abuse is not based on racism, but on the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize Palestinian land. This violates the basic humanitarian premises on which the nation of Israel was founded. My surprise is that most critics of the book have ignored the facts about Palestinian persecution and its proposals for future peace and resorted to personal attacks on the author. No one could visit the occupied territories and deny that the book is accurate.

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Western colonialism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict [View all] LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 OP

Yes, since Jews and their cousins have been living and fighting over this section of the Levant for millennia. paleotn Oct 2023 #1

Curious as to how Zionism comes to play. cachukis Oct 2023 #2

it's certainly a big part of equation LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #3

There is the long term history of the Jewish cachukis Oct 2023 #9

Bet TPTB wish they could do a "mulligan" (a re-do), and the new nation... brush Oct 2023 #38

And it dates to at least the 6th century BCE (Babylonian captivity) and probably earlier paleotn Oct 2023 #11

Zionism is new? paleotn Oct 2023 #10

If you note, I referred to modern Zion. cachukis Oct 2023 #14

And that's different how? paleotn Oct 2023 #16

Times change. The Democrats in the south cachukis Oct 2023 #18

Wait til they find out what apartheid is Sympthsical Oct 2023 #4

I find much of the "colonialism" rhetoric of the far left to be an artifact of the 20th century Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #5

There is no "far left" in the US leftstreet Oct 2023 #6

"Western colonialism" is a fairly common topic in academic circles, and Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #15

There's no far left? Really? Anyway, fairly or not, criticism of colonialism is usually linked LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #25

No, you are not the only one. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #7

PALESTINE: PEACE NOT APARTHEID Donkees Oct 2023 #8

Has the Hamas leadership read that book? Just curious. paleotn Oct 2023 #12

President Carter never claimed that Israel was practicing apartheid Mosby Oct 2023 #17

Carter apologized two years later to the Jewish people. former9thward Oct 2023 #36

What's the "far left" framing exactly OP? NotVeryImportant Oct 2023 #13

I'll play Mosby Oct 2023 #19

Considering the uncertainty in detecting irony among some DUers, Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #21

Frustrated? cachukis Oct 2023 #22

Yeah, I forgot to add the part Mosby Oct 2023 #23

yes, that is the basic argument LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #24

And not a word of it is true. Mosby Oct 2023 #32

Well, I was really hoping to get some actual examples vs some person on a message saying so, but let's start w/the definitions of the terms you threw around... NotVeryImportant Oct 2023 #26

"Israel was created by white European secular Jews who.." No EX500rider Oct 2023 #35

Allow me, and sorry to keep you waiting: Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #37

I suspect you're thinking emotionally rather than clearly because NotVeryImportant Oct 2023 #41

What do your legitimate, self-respecting sources yagotme Oct 2023 #50

Oh that's just boys will be boys but what about those Israelis!!! EX500rider Oct 2023 #52

Oh, boy... yagotme Oct 2023 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #20

The word has become like war crime. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #27

Should Jews have a sanctuary where they are safe from systemic antisemitism? Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #28

So, thousands of years death and suffering over origin myths Magoo48 Oct 2023 #30

Conversely, if conquered in the name of Islam Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #31

At some point in history, we're going to have to either stop blaming the colonialism of the past or just blame it all on the Greeks and Romans. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #29

All an attempt to de-Jewify Ashkenazi Jews MistakenLamb Oct 2023 #33

It's just absurd. The Earth owns people, not the other way around. gulliver Oct 2023 #34

IDK... WarGamer Oct 2023 #39

it's related but I'm saying the Holocaust changes the whole equation dramatically LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #45

Sooooo.....as a First Nations person AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #40

you could start a conversation here at DU about it LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #46

But that would spoil the "whataboutism" and where is the fun in that?! Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #47

There's a lot AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #48

as much as I support such justice, I don't see how it could ever be politically viable LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #49

We've been in a crisis for hundreds of years AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #53

Extremely offensive. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #42

Setting colonialism aside, this about causes of the current conflict from JSTOR Model35mech Oct 2023 #43

The settlements are definitely a big problem and are a type of "colonialism" LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #44

(steps in) the existence of the nation Israel is western colonialism underpants Oct 2023 #51