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In reply to the discussion: Western colonialism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict [View all]NotVeryImportant
(578 posts)26. Well, I was really hoping to get some actual examples vs some person on a message saying so, but let's start w/the definitions of the terms you threw around...
Zionism, Jewish nationalist movement that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews (Hebrew: Eretz Yisraʾel, the Land of Israel).
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zionism
This tells us that these people feel entitled to the territory Palestinians currently call "home."
Colonial, of, relating to, or characteristic of a colony
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colonial
Is there colonialism, in any form currently being enacted upon the Palestinian people? Yes, or no?
Imperialism, the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialism
Isn't this what's currently happening w/the Palestinian people? Yes, or no?
"Israel was created by white European secular Jews who have no connection to the Middle East and dispossessed millions of Indigenous Palestinians,"
Is there any part of this false?
"by engaging in ethnic cleansing, genocide, collective punishment and war crimes,"
Again, is this not currently, and has been, happening to the Palestinian people?
"forcing the indigenous Palestinians into bantustans, and denying them basic rights like voting and freedom of movement."
Based on your understanding of history, and the world, what tends to be the usual recourse of a people that has been suffering under these circumstances?
What you stated is either true of false, and the facts show them to be true, at least mostly true. So who exactly is lying here, the "far left" or the critics of the so-called "far left?"
I look forward to your response.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zionism
This tells us that these people feel entitled to the territory Palestinians currently call "home."
Colonial, of, relating to, or characteristic of a colony
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/colonial
Is there colonialism, in any form currently being enacted upon the Palestinian people? Yes, or no?
Imperialism, the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas
Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialism
Isn't this what's currently happening w/the Palestinian people? Yes, or no?
"Israel was created by white European secular Jews who have no connection to the Middle East and dispossessed millions of Indigenous Palestinians,"
Is there any part of this false?
"by engaging in ethnic cleansing, genocide, collective punishment and war crimes,"
Again, is this not currently, and has been, happening to the Palestinian people?
"forcing the indigenous Palestinians into bantustans, and denying them basic rights like voting and freedom of movement."
Based on your understanding of history, and the world, what tends to be the usual recourse of a people that has been suffering under these circumstances?
What you stated is either true of false, and the facts show them to be true, at least mostly true. So who exactly is lying here, the "far left" or the critics of the so-called "far left?"
I look forward to your response.
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Yes, since Jews and their cousins have been living and fighting over this section of the Levant for millennia.
paleotn
Oct 2023
#1
And it dates to at least the 6th century BCE (Babylonian captivity) and probably earlier
paleotn
Oct 2023
#11
I find much of the "colonialism" rhetoric of the far left to be an artifact of the 20th century
Beastly Boy
Oct 2023
#5
There's no far left? Really? Anyway, fairly or not, criticism of colonialism is usually linked
LymphocyteLover
Oct 2023
#25
Well, I was really hoping to get some actual examples vs some person on a message saying so, but let's start w/the definitions of the terms you threw around...
NotVeryImportant
Oct 2023
#26
Should Jews have a sanctuary where they are safe from systemic antisemitism?
Frasier Balzov
Oct 2023
#28
At some point in history, we're going to have to either stop blaming the colonialism of the past or just blame it all on the Greeks and Romans.
Wonder Why
Oct 2023
#29
it's related but I'm saying the Holocaust changes the whole equation dramatically
LymphocyteLover
Oct 2023
#45
But that would spoil the "whataboutism" and where is the fun in that?!
Behind the Aegis
Oct 2023
#47
as much as I support such justice, I don't see how it could ever be politically viable
LymphocyteLover
Oct 2023
#49
Setting colonialism aside, this about causes of the current conflict from JSTOR
Model35mech
Oct 2023
#43
The settlements are definitely a big problem and are a type of "colonialism"
LymphocyteLover
Oct 2023
#44