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Shipwack

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73. Some quick thoughts...

Sat Dec 2, 2023, 09:34 PM

Dec 2023

1) Such a declaration is welcome to see and long overdue.

2) Its goal will be ignored.
2a) The Israeli government can say that they don’t forcibly relocate anyone; it’s the settlers who are doing it as private citizens (wink). Ignore the members of the military who aid them in evictions.
2b) or they don’t forcibly relocate anyone; they just take their homes and they can go wherever they wish afterwards.

3) Biden really has no “stick” to enforce this. He can’t boycott or blockade Israel. He probably can’t stop giving them foreign aid, and even if he did try, a bipartisan group of lawmakers will reinstate it. He has no carrots, either. What could he do? Give them even more aid? Move the embassy to Jerusalem? Oh, never mind. TFG already did that, in exchange for… absolutely nothing.

As I said, I support this stand 100%. It is something that should have been said when Israel started taking over Palestinian homes. However, it pains me to see things said that won’t be backed up.

::sigh:: I’d love to be wrong on this. Biden has a lot of experience, and has handled many diplomatic moves very well. Maybe he has an ace up his sleeve that I am ignorant of…

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The US will "under no circumstances" permit the forced relocation of Palestinians, Harris says [View all] Donkees Dec 2023 OP

Get thee to the greatest page malaise Dec 2023 #1

K&R! Goddessartist Dec 2023 #2

The fact this needed to be said is quite damning RAB910 Dec 2023 #3

KNR niyad Dec 2023 #4

I'm curious; by "not permit" what does she mean? RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #5

The US could cut all aid and diplomatic support. David__77 Dec 2023 #7

Can the executive branch do that without support of Congress? RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #8

I imagine there's grey area with the power of the branches. David__77 Dec 2023 #10

Netanyahu will have to decide Bettie Dec 2023 #25

It's pretty simple. Funding will cease flowing. brush Dec 2023 #41

So, the executive branch can do that without Congress? RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #47

How it's done is not the issue now. It's the delivery of the message to Netanyahu... brush Dec 2023 #50

I don't disagree with the intent RandomNumbers Dec 2023 #51

It's getting down to funding. Netayahu is not immune to the realpolitiks... brush Dec 2023 #52

Interesting that the word "permit" was used.. David__77 Dec 2023 #6

I thought that was interesting, too. yardwork Dec 2023 #9

It's a bad word to use, for TWO REASONS: Martin Eden Dec 2023 #38

Agreed on point number 2 - there's no wiggle room in that statement, which needs to be backed up. David__77 Dec 2023 #39

Right. It's about the funding, which includes the weapons used by the IDF. brush Dec 2023 #44

I remember when that sort of intemperate language was quite common. jaxexpat Dec 2023 #75

I'm for it, but I must have missed this being a thing. gulliver Dec 2023 #11

"Rejecting US stance, PM told Blinken that IDF will create buffer zone 'deep' into Gaza -- report" David__77 Dec 2023 #12

Ah, that could be. gulliver Dec 2023 #14

I agree with a buffer zone. At least a half mile on each side of the border. keithbvadu2 Dec 2023 #17

They may try to deport the people in Gaza. David__77 Dec 2023 #19

Would a buffer zone require a forced relocation of some people? MichMan Dec 2023 #35

Yes, it would. David__77 Dec 2023 #48

A 2-state solution with the Palestinian Authority in control NickB79 Dec 2023 #13

A large problem with that is that almost all the RW Netanyahu government and their illegal settler supporters Celerity Dec 2023 #26

Shouldn't be their choice anyway. Think. Again. Dec 2023 #33

Absolutely, hamas must go. Think. Again. Dec 2023 #32

A two state solution is not viable. David__77 Dec 2023 #54

The only way Hamas will ever agree to a two state solution is if neither one of the states is Israel. MichMan Dec 2023 #72

Bibi is against a two-state solution as well. Bibi will be gone after the war is over. Possibly Hamas too. brush Dec 2023 #76

Too bad no one in the Middle East has stepped up to help. SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #87

But "permitting" the slaughter of thousands....n/t leftstreet Dec 2023 #15

Unfortunately, this campaign is done with active military and diplomatic support. David__77 Dec 2023 #22

netanfuckyou is mr settlement. pansypoo53219 Dec 2023 #16

Biden has said this to President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi, as has Blinken... Donkees Dec 2023 #18

Now demand an end to West Bank Settlements and the dismantling of many that are there prodigitalson Dec 2023 #20

and compensation for those whose property was illegally taken DBoon Dec 2023 #21

The settlements are on about 5% of the West Bank Mosby Dec 2023 #42

Apparently, like the Native Americans, people didn't have their documents in order, I suppose. David__77 Dec 2023 #53

So because it's not deeded does that mean anyone can take it but Palestinians law? Thanks in advance uponit7771 Dec 2023 #90

And bar settlers from getting US visas. David__77 Dec 2023 #23

25% of the settlers are Americans. Mosby Dec 2023 #43

I didn't say bar them citizenship. Charge them with a crime. David__77 Dec 2023 #46

Right, let's punish women and children for being born in a 50 year old Jewish neighborhood. tritsofme Dec 2023 #58

Not for being born. For engaging in settlement. David__77 Dec 2023 #59

For generations of families, it's just where they were born. tritsofme Dec 2023 #66

That is part of why a two state solution will not work. David__77 Dec 2023 #67

Probably not. Ideally Gaza would revert to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan. tritsofme Dec 2023 #69

Hopefully Egypt and Jordan would reject that. David__77 Dec 2023 #70

What is the difference Zeitghost Dec 2023 #93

But, it's OK for the US to continue to punish the majority of Cubans who were born after the Cold War. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #60

Pls, there's enough to discuss with the Gaza situation. Cuba is another topic. brush Dec 2023 #77

It's relating to collective punishment. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #88

Forced relocation seems fine to be fine to some Zeitghost Dec 2023 #92

A bold & welcomed statement. Basic LA Dec 2023 #24

Under no circumstances and permit. Those are very strong words when talking about another sovereign power. paleotn Dec 2023 #27

Yep, speaking directly to Netanyahu/Likud. No new Nakba or re-drawing of borders. brush Dec 2023 #45

And we're providing 2000 lb bunker buster bombs to prove it! Marcus IM Dec 2023 #28

She is perhaps being hung out to dry when you look at that plus what is likely to be 14.5 billion usd given to Celerity Dec 2023 #57

Prez Biden MorbidButterflyTat Dec 2023 #61

U.S. Sends Israel 2,000-Pound Bunker Buster Bombs for Gaza War Celerity Dec 2023 #63

That's the harsh reality of the situation. The US can in no way be an honest broker... brush Dec 2023 #78

As an aside--our VP Harris is getting lots of foreign policy experience. riversedge Dec 2023 #29

When we moniss Dec 2023 #30

Thank Goddess!! claudette Dec 2023 #31

K&R onecaliberal Dec 2023 #34

I hate to bring this up, but... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #36

We discussed the gas field here on Nov 20... Donkees Dec 2023 #37

I meant on the international level... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #40

Good question. I wouldn't put it past Netanyahu to want to get his hands on it. brush Dec 2023 #49

Israel controls Gaza's territorial waters, at present... Donkees Dec 2023 #55

And when the U.S. says... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #79

When Gaza becomes a state, its territorial waters should come under their control ... Donkees Dec 2023 #80

Here is a map of Maritime Boundary Claim (Gaza Corridor) Donkees Dec 2023 #82

Map of Gas Field (Gaza Marine) Donkees Dec 2023 #83

Thanks for going out of your way to explain that to me... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #84

I am trying to understand this as well. Agree with you, all sides are focusing on the buried treasure Donkees Dec 2023 #86

Marking.... Gaza's gas wells questionseverything Dec 2023 #89

That's claudette Dec 2023 #81

Yeah... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #85

Context generally helps. lapucelle Dec 2023 #56

I don't see a difference. MorbidButterflyTat Dec 2023 #62

Maybe you should should read it again then. lapucelle Dec 2023 #64

There is no such caveat in the official readout. David__77 Dec 2023 #65

I think that's called "messaging." N/T lapucelle Dec 2023 #68

It is a little late for that. Somewhere around 50% of homes are now rubble. Chainfire Dec 2023 #71

Some quick thoughts... Shipwack Dec 2023 #73

The press chose an interesting time Mr.Bill Dec 2023 #74

I do appreciate her words. They are very strong words indeed. David__77 Dec 2023 #91