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87. 2016 is not analagous to this situation. /nt

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I don't believe there is a conspiracy against Biden. I don't believe it's "The Elites against The Base" [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jul 2024 OP

What does it matter what pelosi thinks BootinUp Jul 2024 #1

lol sure, Pelosi is an idiot SamuelTheThird Jul 2024 #26

I shouldn't type in haste or frustration about this, that was wrong of me. BootinUp Jul 2024 #35

+1. Pelosi is a political genius, radius777 Jul 2024 #69

"There should have been an open primary..." thucythucy Jul 2024 #103

Sitting presidents are rarely if ever challenged radius777 Jul 2024 #104

So the only way this could have been an "open primary" thucythucy Jul 2024 #112

"the data clearly shows" travelingthrulife Jul 2024 #108

The bridge to 2028 Dem4life1234 Jul 2024 #115

Pelosi is not infallible. edisdead Jul 2024 #80

Biden is not on her level as a political mind, few are. radius777 Jul 2024 #105

Thank goodness Biden isn't listening to anybody except we the people Skya Rhen Jul 2024 #114

oh is Pelosi going under the bus too now? Skittles Jul 2024 #86

I agree Tom, good post. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #2

Appreciate the thoughtfulness liberalgunwilltravel Jul 2024 #53

It is a very stressful time right now. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #64

Thanks liberalgunwilltravel Jul 2024 #71

We face losing a great deal. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #95

Joe Biden stepping down grammiepammie Jul 2024 #106

I respect these people, but none of them have run and won a national campaign Walleye Jul 2024 #3

They still hold tremendous political power. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #6

If trump hadn't screwed up covid so badly SamuelTheThird Jul 2024 #27

If Trump hadn't been such a racist and a menace, Biden probably wouldn't have run in the first place Walleye Jul 2024 #28

That's true SamuelTheThird Jul 2024 #30

The other side will just be saying that we forced Biden to drop out because we're afraid of Trump, which of course we ar Walleye Jul 2024 #46

Look at history and see how replacing an incumbent president works out Bettie Jul 2024 #59

Excellent Point, Walleye. 💙🌊🇺🇸🕊️🌈🕯️ Cha Jul 2024 #45

I'm pretty sure Biden would've stepped aside if Trump hadn't tried to run again Walleye Jul 2024 #49

Who knows.. from what I've seen Cha Jul 2024 #61

Exactly. He doesn't want to step aside just to have us lose. Walleye Jul 2024 #62

Using your own logic there, James Carville and David Alexrod are correct in calling for Biden to drop out. Celerity Jul 2024 #57

Sorry, I meant winning a campaign as a candidate, they've never run for anything Walleye Jul 2024 #58

Well, IF Obama suggests he drop out, and IF Bill Clinton says no, I guess we have a quandary at that hypothetical point, Celerity Jul 2024 #65

I've seen a definitive statement from Clinton. Obama has yet to speak publicly about it. Walleye Jul 2024 #68

Wasn't the Clinton statement "Keep donating to Biden/Harris"? AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2024 #78

+1. Most of the best political minds, whether radius777 Jul 2024 #73

yeah.... They knew in2016 too edisdead Jul 2024 #81

2016 is not analagous to this situation. /nt radius777 Jul 2024 #87

I believe that the best political minds collectively are the voters Walleye Jul 2024 #99

what data are you saying shows this clearly? travelingthrulife Jul 2024 #109

Exactly Emile Jul 2024 #98

Well said, Tom. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #4

Some speculate that billionaire donors Mme. Defarge Jul 2024 #5

Because Obama is pragmatic. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #8

I think money is a part of it, but not all. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #18

Perhaps it's... 2naSalit Jul 2024 #70

I'll be voting against Trump. Ping Tung Jul 2024 #7

THANK YOU Skittles Jul 2024 #88

There's ample enough evidence to suggest you're wrong. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #9

Fair weather friends Walleye Jul 2024 #31

Jeeze! TY for Candidly Tiff Cha Jul 2024 #56

But why do the donor class want a different candidate? AdamGG Jul 2024 #63

I don't know. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #66

They don't want a pro-union, pro regulated crypto president.nt Phoenix61 Jul 2024 #72

Regulations and trump tax cuts. edisdead Jul 2024 #83

If we bow to the oligarchs now..... edisdead Jul 2024 #82

Come on! Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #92

Media manipulation is powerful travelingthrulife Jul 2024 #110

I think this is delusional thinking Dorian Gray Jul 2024 #111

I think its a good bet that Democratic voters will vote for the candidate who gets the convention's approval. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #10

Put your money where your mouth is. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #11

There is no way to successfully change a presidential candidate with a little over three months to the election. waterwatcher123 Jul 2024 #12

Bill and Hillary are supporting Biden unc70 Jul 2024 #13

Well, according to anonymous sources, they are Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #16

Do you have a link to recent support. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #19

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #14

Thank you!!!! nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #15

Nancy Pelosi is not infallible SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #17

If it were just one person that would be Ok. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #21

There was a time SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #23

We don't know if they are right or wrong because they won't tell us what is going on. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #24

That they have power and influence... edisdead Jul 2024 #84

IDK what Pelosi et al are doing. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #94

Actually no one thought the world was flat. Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #51

Actually some still do. edisdead Jul 2024 #85

That came later Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #90

Flat Earth is a myth, a modern misconception Blue Full Moon Jul 2024 #91

Interesting, thank you SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #100

We won't really know who is right or wrong about this until after the election. Walleye Jul 2024 #33

Exactly. This is the only metric which counts. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #38

Not even then. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #79

But at least Biden remaining on the ticket is supported by democratic voters Walleye Jul 2024 #93

Most from California.... Hmmm. Mr.WeRP Jul 2024 #37

What do you think that means? Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #39

I'm more curious as to what YOU think that means... Mr.WeRP Jul 2024 #48

I have no idea what you meant, or I wouldn't need to ask. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #52

Why do you want Biden to resign? Mr.WeRP Jul 2024 #74

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A very reasoned and measured post. marmar Jul 2024 #25

I totally agree with you Freddie Jul 2024 #29

"Another candidate"? Like a generic candidate? Walleye Jul 2024 #34

Vice President Harris Freddie Jul 2024 #40

Sounds like a great ticket. I don't think it would have a better chance than Biden though. Walleye Jul 2024 #42

I think the explanation is extremely simple Sympthsical Jul 2024 #32

If this is the take of DU, then the Dems are fucked, plain and simple. Mr.WeRP Jul 2024 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jul 2024 #41

I think it's mostly Republican and Russian trolls and a handful of comments. bullimiami Jul 2024 #43

You are wrong Tom. The big donor class is calling the shots against Biden. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining ZonkerHarris Jul 2024 #44

May I disagree? hamsterjill Jul 2024 #47

To the OP: SCantiGOP Jul 2024 #50

De Toqueville said, hume Jul 2024 #54

Your examples show the fallacy in replacing Biden relayerbob Jul 2024 #55

Great post. Bleacher Creature Jul 2024 #60

I agree. There is a lot of emotions out there and kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2024 #116

This is a SICK political HIGHJACKING and nothing else. Fuck them! Deek1935 Jul 2024 #67

You're right. It's not a conspiracy. dchill Jul 2024 #75

Well said. MaryMagdaline Jul 2024 #76

Just stupid Tweedy Jul 2024 #77

The oligarch, wealthy donor and billionaire "class" evil conspiracy conspiracy plot is silly. betsuni Jul 2024 #89

We have no reason to question anyone's integrity in this matter Generic Brad Jul 2024 #96

It's a hostile takeover by rich donors who lost their influence in the GOP because MAGAT's Emile Jul 2024 #97

Why any of this talk? PennRalphie Jul 2024 #101

Very thoughtful and sober post Raven123 Jul 2024 #102

Well stated JohnnyRingo Jul 2024 #107

Many people see conspiracies everywhere. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #113