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keep_left

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22. They've got a lower-tech version of that already...
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:33 PM
Mar 24

...that's been on the market since at least the post-WWII era--they're called "F1 hybrid" seeds. F1 in genetics refers to the first generation of offspring. These seeds exhibit "hybrid vigor", meaning they tend to exhibit more robust growth and fitness. Hybridization also can be used to confer various highly-desired traits to the organism, e.g. disease resistance in tomato plants. The drawback: F1 seeds don't breed true, so that if you save seeds from this year's crop, next year's won't be the same. (They're not genetically stable, so you get back the parent plants plus some other recombinations).

Seed companies love F1 seeds because of this--you have to buy new ones when you run out because seed-saving doesn't work. They're also much cheaper to produce than GMO "terminator" seeds, though I didn't know those had never made it to market here. I guess the power of the farm lobby is strong enough in the USA. I wonder if they have been marketed elsewhere.

The alternative to F1 hybrids is the old-fashioned open-pollinated plant, often called an "heirloom" especially when it comes to tomatoes. They usually aren't as disease-resistant or robust (no hybrid vigor), but they have other desirable traits. Heirloom tomatoes are quite special and unique, for example. You can save seeds from heirloom plants, and they will breed true for many generations--however, unless you prevent cross-pollination, even heirloom plants will naturally hybridize through all the pollinators in the environment (e.g. bees/wasps, butterflies, hummingbirds).

Privatizers like Eloon hate "heirloom" seeds because most countries' patent laws (including ours) prohibit the patenting of open-pollinated or otherwise naturally-occurring plants. I wonder if Eloon is thinking about getting into the agriculture business. Or maybe he just can't help himself, like many end-stage capitalists: if we can't make big money from it, why not destroy it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

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People who have a brain decided to collect the seeds. louis-t Mar 24 #1
True, it is destruction just for the sake of destruction PatSeg Mar 24 #38
To speed the day when MAGA decides who gets what, including food. Kid Berwyn Mar 24 #2
After the invasion of the Netherlands in May 1940 Turbineguy Mar 24 #13
Agribusiness-X probably bucolic_frolic Mar 24 #3
Agree. It's likely because none of those seeds are proprietary "one and done" seeds. CincyDem Mar 24 #6
Terminator seeds don't exist outside a few labs NickB79 Mar 24 #9
Is that a "don't exist outside a lab" because the science didn't work or... CincyDem Mar 24 #12
Public outcry scuttled it NickB79 Mar 24 #15
Public outcry put the orange fraud fatty in the WH wolfie001 Mar 25 #50
I think they were marketed to 3rd world countries MadameButterfly Mar 24 #32
They've got a lower-tech version of that already... keep_left Mar 24 #22
And also, markodochartaigh Mar 24 #31
Thank you canetoad Mar 24 #46
No problem, glad it was helpful. keep_left Mar 25 #49
Profitization through theft. There I fixed it for you. I use Profitization instead of Privatization ... aggiesal Mar 24 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue Dotty Mar 24 #4
Because MAGA is Russia. Sneederbunk Mar 24 #5
Indeed! Russia wants to erase us. sagetea Mar 24 #18
Was that part of the whole doomsday vault scenario? I know they also stored pharmaceuticals because I Vinca Mar 24 #7
Because it's related to climate change Diraven Mar 24 #8
It's part of a smart Government. Turbineguy Mar 24 #10
Only the billionaires can control the food supply. Irish_Dem Mar 24 #11
Same reason he wants to control near-Earth orbit. Global oligarchy Maru Kitteh Mar 24 #14
How often is the seed removed and new seed put in its place ? anybody ? republianmushroom Mar 24 #16
Can't really answer that the way it was asked ... MiHale Mar 24 #29
Thank you republianmushroom Mar 24 #36
Because they are stupid and have no idea what the people Phoenix61 Mar 24 #17
Musk does not want the government to feed anybody but him. dchill Mar 24 #19
Shit. Just that. PS, time to find the stash of nonGMO seeds i missplaced... txwhitedove Mar 24 #20
"Our food system is only as safe as our ability to respond to the next plant disease..." Wednesdays Mar 24 #21
The Irish Famine was not all caused by potato blight but by the theft of agricultural products from Ireland Botany Mar 24 #43
Maybe Elon plans to buy Monsanto and wants to eliminate possible competition. Martin68 Mar 24 #23
Might not work out the way he thinks it will. bluesbassman Mar 24 #24
If you add white supremacy + the belief that empathy is a weakness + the belief that taxes should never be raised on the Uncle Joe Mar 24 #25
Because it has to do with the common good and science which helps people of this nation and the world Botany Mar 24 #26
I have a degree in botany (no pun intended) Mountain Mule Mar 24 #39
Me too as in having a degree in botany Botany Mar 24 #40
... Solly Mack Mar 24 #27
The lack of genetic diversity is what killed off a bunch of banana species JT45242 Mar 24 #30
Because he is part of "enemy within" that wants to sow Evolve Dammit Mar 24 #33
Because he can? ShazzieB Mar 24 #34
Musk intends to rule the world if he's allowed to. hadEnuf Mar 24 #35
Ebenezer Trump..... SergeStorms Mar 24 #37
A small suggestion. Probably silly to most people. Linda ladeewolf Mar 24 #41
Because he is incredibly ignorant about anything outside of his world. TNNurse Mar 24 #42
It bothered me highly. Figarosmom Mar 24 #44
He wants to replace them with his own ubermensch seed Hassin Bin Sober Mar 24 #45
they saw it's about genetic diversity PedroXimenez Mar 24 #47
Elon is a moron Historic NY Mar 25 #48
Send 'em all to the seed bank on Svalbard before Musk kills them. Ocelot II Mar 25 #51
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