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In reply to the discussion: Ceasefire unravels: Gaza sees deadly strikes; aid flows suspended [View all]iemanja
(57,721 posts)You're putting me in the disgusting situation of having to defend Hamas, which I despise, but your claims are not all accurate. Yes, Hamas has barbarically killed so-called collaborators. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and there are disputed claims about who killed them. Israel has continued to kill Palestinians throughout the so-called cease fire. https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-violates-ceasefire https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-premier-says-
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/18/israel-kills-11-palestinian-family-members-in-gazas-deadliest-truce-breach
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https://www.barrons.com/news/netanyahu-says-israel-dropped-153-tonnes-of-bombs-on-gaza-on-sunday-d0324a9f
Regarding the return of hostages:
Hamas made clear during the negotiations that they would not be able to return all the bodies quickly because of the state of the ruins. Israel has bombed Gaza to damnation, and thousands of bodies are buried beneath the rubble. Anyone can see that from looking at photos of the ruins.
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Hamas then returned all of the living hostages and some of the remains of those deceased.
Israel now claims: We know that Hamas can return them, and we know that Hamas is aware of where they are located, said spokesperson Bedrosian, who referred to Hamas claim that some bodies cannot be located as "propaganda."
If Israel believes this, 1) why did they not make this claim during the negotiations? 2) How can Israel be so certain that Hamas knows where all the hostages are and can easily retrieve them? 3) Is it because Israel knows where the hostages are? 4) Logically, it's far more likely that the buried bodies are not easily accessed because of the nuclear-bomb type destruction levied on Gaza. If Palestinians can't locate their own family members, why should they magically be able to locate the remains of all the Israeli hostages?
Israel returned tortured and executed remains of some prisoners. They refused to identify them. The remains showed blatant violations of the Geneva Conventions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/15/palestinian-bodies-returned-by-israel-show-signs-of-torture-and-execution-say-doctors
The Israeli government has made its intentions clear: Israel's National Security Minister, Ben-Givir announced: "Now that we have received the hostages, we must return to war and open the gates of hell upon Gaza."
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Clearly, the goal continues to be genocide and a land grab. That is indisputable.
Literally thousands if not more people have claimed that all Hamas had to do to stop the war was return the hostages. They made those claims all over social media, and the Israeli government made the same claims. Ben-Givir's statement exposes that as false.