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iemanja

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14. Only some of that is true
Mon Oct 20, 2025, 10:59 PM
Oct 2025

You're putting me in the disgusting situation of having to defend Hamas, which I despise, but your claims are not all accurate. Yes, Hamas has barbarically killed so-called collaborators. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and there are disputed claims about who killed them. Israel has continued to kill Palestinians throughout the so-called cease fire. https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-violates-ceasefire https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-premier-says-
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/18/israel-kills-11-palestinian-family-members-in-gazas-deadliest-truce-breach
153-tons-of-bombs-dropped-on-gaza-admits-breach-of-ceasefire-deal/3722145
https://www.barrons.com/news/netanyahu-says-israel-dropped-153-tonnes-of-bombs-on-gaza-on-sunday-d0324a9f

Regarding the return of hostages:
Hamas made clear during the negotiations that they would not be able to return all the bodies quickly because of the state of the ruins. Israel has bombed Gaza to damnation, and thousands of bodies are buried beneath the rubble. Anyone can see that from looking at photos of the ruins.





Hamas then returned all of the living hostages and some of the remains of those deceased.

Israel now claims: “We know that Hamas can return them, and we know that Hamas is aware of where they are located,” said spokesperson Bedrosian, who referred to Hamas’ claim that some bodies cannot be located as "propaganda."
If Israel believes this, 1) why did they not make this claim during the negotiations? 2) How can Israel be so certain that Hamas knows where all the hostages are and can easily retrieve them? 3) Is it because Israel knows where the hostages are? 4) Logically, it's far more likely that the buried bodies are not easily accessed because of the nuclear-bomb type destruction levied on Gaza. If Palestinians can't locate their own family members, why should they magically be able to locate the remains of all the Israeli hostages?

Israel returned tortured and executed remains of some prisoners. They refused to identify them. The remains showed blatant violations of the Geneva Conventions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/15/palestinian-bodies-returned-by-israel-show-signs-of-torture-and-execution-say-doctors

The Israeli government has made its intentions clear: Israel's National Security Minister, Ben-Givir announced: "​Now that we have received the hostages, we must return to war and open the gates of hell upon Gaza."


Clearly, the goal continues to be genocide and a land grab. That is indisputable.

Literally thousands if not more people have claimed that all Hamas had to do to stop the war was return the hostages. They made those claims all over social media, and the Israeli government made the same claims. Ben-Givir's statement exposes that as false.


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Right on schedule.. Klarkashton Oct 2025 #1
Yep, as good as any trump promise... Wounded Bear Oct 2025 #2
another betrayal, this was bound to happen Shellback Squid Oct 2025 #3
Exactly. It was only a matter of time until Hamas killed the ceasefire. tritsofme Oct 2025 #6
3000 years sure do fly by quick these days. Maru Kitteh Oct 2025 #4
BBC: Israel says it will return to ceasefire. moondust Oct 2025 #5
And who is surprised by this? BigmanPigman Oct 2025 #7
Of course no one is surprised. But that did not stop the MSM from glowing reviews of Trump's "peace deal." SunSeeker Oct 2025 #8
Of course the MSM will not cover his failures, BigmanPigman Oct 2025 #9
"All Hamas has to do is release the hostages" iemanja Oct 2025 #10
That was never the only requirement. Hamas was required to disarm. They still have not. SunSeeker Oct 2025 #11
As awful is that is iemanja Oct 2025 #12
There is no peace deal. There was only a tenuous ceasefire deal, which Hamas was the first to violate. SunSeeker Oct 2025 #13
Only some of that is true iemanja Oct 2025 #14
All of what I said is true. SunSeeker Oct 2025 #15
Are you actually claiming no one has ever said that? iemanja Oct 2025 #17
You're the one who made the claim. Prove it. SunSeeker Oct 2025 #18
Post removed Post removed Oct 2025 #19
Summed up in a few words: the head of lettuce is still edible. nt Ilsa Oct 2025 #16
Leave it to Dems to form a circular firing squad in a thread like this.... democratsruletheday Oct 2025 #20
I agree that Dems sniping at other Dems has never served us well, particularly when it comes to Gaza. SunSeeker Oct 2025 #21
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