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(20,599 posts)The death of someone as vile as Maggie refocuses attention on her past and what she did to undeserving and innocent people like no other event possibly could. By telling us all to shut up (and that is EXACTLY what you've been doing ALL DAY LONG) and "be nice to her ghost" you're telling us we aren't allowed to condemn the woman and the actions she took. Personal decision, even on matters of policy, do not take place in a vacuum. They are shaped by one's own morals, biases, and senses of ethics and duty to one's fellows. Thatcher utterly betrayed all of that in dozens of ways, and the entire world has paid the price.
That IS defending her, in the smarmiest, greasiest, most propagandistic way you ever possibly could. SHAME on you.
You appreciate what she did. You agree with it, all of it. If you did not, you would be silent in the face of others' condemnations. No moral or ethical or even basically decent person can defend the evils of one such as her, including or perhaps especially following that person's death, yet you have done so at every possible opportunity.
This has nothing to do with you actually believing it's wrong to speak ill of the dead, because the dead are dead. They don't and can't care, even if there is such a thing as a spirit and an afterlife. They have moved on, and it matters not- not one little bit at all- what we in this world have to say about them. Everything you've been saying on this thread is a logically illegitimate rhetorical tool designed specifically to attempt to silence the condemnation of evil you, personally, admire, even if the afterlife is fact.
It goes a great deal further than that, though. If karma and an afterlife do in fact exist, we are recognizing evils done by one person to a very great many innocents. We are recognizing the good in ourselves by condemning that person and their acts against those innocents. We are, in effect, celebrating life, by celebrating the death of a cancer to life. By telling us we aren't allowed to tie the evil to the (wo)man who did it, you are claiming evil people cannot be condemned when they are gone.
That means you're carrying their water, even if you don't intend it. That means you're upholding their legacy, even if you don't intend it. That means you believe they were not, in fact, bad people worthy of condemnation, even if you don't intend it. That makes you, in general and in detail, one of the lieutenants of the very darkness whose departure we are celebrating, even if you don't intend it.
In a word, that makes you wrong, first to last. Entirely. Wholly. And you are not in any position at all to lecture any of us for celebrating their departure. You are mistaking a celebration of life's and time's justice for hatred, and in that act, you only betray and ultimately condemn yourself.
You have my pity. You have my sympathy. But you do not have my attention or my obedience, and you do not have any say in the matter.
You are.... powerless. As you should be.