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IrishAyes

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231. Well, I didn't mean to suggest you're naive in the least

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:35 PM

Jul 2013

I admire your patience and so on. It's very good advice not to get sucked into protracted arguments that are guaranteed to be endless. I just have less patience with those people. Though I seldom play ping pong with them for more than a few swipes, occasionally my backhand needs a little extra practice. When that coincides with someone who needs more exposure, that day I might be happy to oblige. I don't care when they froth at the mouth because they teach people by example just how ugly they can be and the end result of their approach to the world. I leave the original baiting to them. But they can always be counted on to pounce, because they're predatory. I don't pet predators of any kind.

BTW, a lot of them will scream "You're on ignore!" (my sister's version of "you're dead to me&quot when they don't really do it; their paranoia and unhealthy huge need for approval will drive them to lurk. Sooner or later their bile overflows and they pounce again. They don't seem to realize that not only are their threats of ignoring ineffective but also transparent as glass. I'm not saying nobody really 'ignores', I'm saying a lot of them lie about it.

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President Obama just made history. That was beautiful. [View all] nolabear Jul 2013 OP

A wonderful man madokie Jul 2013 #1

It was amazing. One of many times he's made history in a positive way. great white snark Jul 2013 #2

He has made history so many times ailsagirl Jul 2013 #77

He Went There - And I'm Glad He Did...... global1 Jul 2013 #3

It's pretty bad. But our job now is not to do the easy thing and fire back. nolabear Jul 2013 #4

this should probably be in the BOG Doctor_J Jul 2013 #5

"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #7

that's why he was saying it should be in the BOG Skittles Jul 2013 #16

So you don't subscribe to the privilege of rooms where hateful attacks are not allowed? IrishAyes Jul 2013 #159

bullshit - they are NOT all "hateful attacks" Skittles Jul 2013 #169

Oooo... thy bile art showing. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #172

oh gawd Skittles Jul 2013 #173

Assholes can be found on all sides of the arguments. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #83

Doing nothing but complain even when he does something right indicates geek tragedy Jul 2013 #87

Thank you, Hissyspit. loudsue Jul 2013 #146

LOL … 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2013 #103

+1 treestar Jul 2013 #111

so correct!!!! Sheepshank Jul 2013 #117

I sincerely believe that, treestar. Hekate Jul 2013 #132

I don't understand. Is GD unavailable for discussing a president's comments? nolabear Jul 2013 #25

Yes, it is available. I think the post to which you responded was code for CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #68

Nihilism appeals to such people. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #161

i think dislike quite a few thing re: BO, but even with the little i've heard re: this speech... allin99 Jul 2013 #37

You mad? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #64

Ain't he always? But yes, this type of non-stop carping is just "holding his feet to the fire" Number23 Jul 2013 #102

Yes. Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #136

When bashers suggest President Obama's supporters should be CONFINED to the BOG IrishAyes Jul 2013 #163

But the problem with posting in the BOG, is that you cant stir up the shit. You have to venture out rhett o rick Jul 2013 #107

So astute of you Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #130

Riiiiight. "Free Speech Zone" -- I remember those from Dubya's reign! Hekate Jul 2013 #134

Yes, it is a pretty cowardly thing to do Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #135

Why do you and others like you, resent the Barack Obama group so much? Whisp Jul 2013 #158

Thanks for bringing to mind IrishAyes Jul 2013 #164

I dont resent the BOG. I think it is great that there is a place for rhett o rick Jul 2013 #166

that sounds authoritarian to me. Whisp Jul 2013 #168

You asked and I gave you a truthful answer. Your reaction indicates you werent seriously asking. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #171

Ah, you claim to know everything about other people IrishAyes Jul 2013 #182

Damn. Pardon my language but you FUCKING NAILED IT. Number23 Jul 2013 #208

I salute you as my superior in exposition. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #209

You made sense of that mind-bending myopia? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #194

Are you calling me a Teabagger? That's what you've come down to? Name calling and ridicule? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #195

What part of "sounding like" do you not get? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #196

You are just full of ad hominem attacks. There is no justification to use ridicule in DU. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #197

I look forward to your public scolding Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #198

Dont you have someone else to annoy? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #199

Um, you initiated this exchange Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #206

Your first post in this exchange is 194 which you posted in response to my post #171 to Whisp. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #207

LOL What? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #210

I am sick of those of you that wont discuss issues but instead dedicate your posts to ad hominem rhett o rick Jul 2013 #211

Sounds like a good move. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #212

Tell it, sister! Good for you! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #225

I haven't been sent Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #228

I'm gonna watch you very carefully, Bobbie Jo IrishAyes Jul 2013 #230

Name calling and ridicule .... IrishAyes Jul 2013 #213

And it looks to me as if IrishAyes Jul 2013 #170

The term adulation has a definition. The constant use of the word "wonderful" qualifies. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #175

I'll stay awake all night grieving over that. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #177

I hate seeing a fight like this develop. Not scolding you guys but I don't see the point. nolabear Jul 2013 #221

JFK said, in effect, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #222

I know, and I know it's just a discussion thread, but it was also my experiment nolabear Jul 2013 #223

I applaud your lofty intentions IrishAyes Jul 2013 #224

Oh I'm far from naive. And I know how family can get on your last nerve. nolabear Jul 2013 #229

Well, I didn't mean to suggest you're naive in the least IrishAyes Jul 2013 #231

LOL! I'm waaaaaay too nosey to ever ignore anyone. nolabear Jul 2013 #232

Believe it or not, I did go back and re-read the whole thread IrishAyes Jul 2013 #227

But why would a thread acknowledging something positive about the POTUS stir shit up? PragmaticLiberal Jul 2013 #191

Hmm. No. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #116

AUGH!! You just now spoiled Sharknado for me!! Wednesdays Jul 2013 #154

ROFL! Raine1967 Jul 2013 #156

Everyone is talking about it in historic terms. And he did it in such a simple setting. DevonRex Jul 2013 #6

Exactly. He didn't "interrupt our regularly scheduled broadcast" to make these remarks. arcane1 Jul 2013 #101

+1 freshwest Jul 2013 #215

What you said. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #165

Yes, it was. I applaud his courage tremendously, and I'm grateful. n/t OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #8

Courage. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2013 #11

How about a link? LWolf Jul 2013 #9

Nah, you're just supposed to nod your head in agreement and say MNBrewer Jul 2013 #10

Your bitterness must be painful lunatica Jul 2013 #17

+10 (nt) ehrnst Jul 2013 #41

Yes, yes. Aren't I just TERRIBLE? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #61

no, not terrible...more petty Sheepshank Jul 2013 #118

Truly, yes. Petty, petty, petty. MNBrewer Jul 2013 #144

More's the pity. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #174

No, that's not true. I don't feel that way at all. nolabear Jul 2013 #22

"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #24

Oooo, Twitter IrishAyes Jul 2013 #176

Not sure why you're being so sarcastic--the quote would seem to be on your side geek tragedy Jul 2013 #178

Sorry about the tardiness of my reply here. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #200

The point wasn't to brag up Twitter, but rather to attribute the quote properly geek tragedy Jul 2013 #202

I accept that. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #205

And I do Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #29

Again, re the poster of President Obama in front of the capitol building IrishAyes Jul 2013 #167

Link to video of his comments... Spazito Jul 2013 #12

Thanks. LWolf Jul 2013 #13

You're welcome, and yes, he did exceedingly well n/t Spazito Jul 2013 #14

Ew whatever you do don't read the comments after the transcript laundry_queen Jul 2013 #44

The obscene, racist comments only reinforce what the President said... Spazito Jul 2013 #49

I certainly hope you are right. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #86

I posted with hope but, sadly, not with certainty... Spazito Jul 2013 #91

Their "voices" are louder because they are losing, not because they are growing. arcane1 Jul 2013 #105

"Baby steps", yes, please let there be steps forward now... Spazito Jul 2013 #106

Thanks for the reminder. We too easily forget. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #179

OMG BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #149

I don't need to. There has been practice enough right here, although a lot milder Whisp Jul 2013 #184

Wow - that was really great! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #72

You're very welcome! Spazito Jul 2013 #73

I just watched it at whitehouse.gov ...a great speech! tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #133

Thanks to nolabear for her thoughts on Obama's speech & opening it up for discussion... pacalo Jul 2013 #81

My pleasure, pacalo! Spazito Jul 2013 #84

My thanks too. I posted so fast there wasn't a link yet. nolabear Jul 2013 #85

I need to thank you! I neglected to do so probably for the same reason.... Spazito Jul 2013 #89

. nolabear Jul 2013 #92

Right back to you IrishAyes Jul 2013 #180

There is definitely a dire need for leadership on the points made by Obama, so it was good to hear. pacalo Jul 2013 #88

I totally agree! Spazito Jul 2013 #114

That is John2 Jul 2013 #143

One thing I can stake my life on IrishAyes Jul 2013 #181

You've made so many good points, you should make this an OP. pacalo Jul 2013 #204

I love the impromtu speech it was beautiful.!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #15

But is that as far as it can go? Is that just creating more division to not try to understand? nolabear Jul 2013 #20

Far as I am concerned maybe mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #23

Really true. SometimesI don't like what I see and it confuses me. nolabear Jul 2013 #31

Think of tolerance like an expensive wine. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #34

That's good writing Android3.14 Jul 2013 #47

Thanks mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #48

+1 nolabear Jul 2013 #93

What you said. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #183

he made history alright--NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #18

Okay, let's talk. Does his policy on NSA (which I hate) mean that this means nothing? nolabear Jul 2013 #19

just a little perspective leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #21

Okay. I think you mean that you fear if people are excited about this we will forget that. nolabear Jul 2013 #27

What precisely are the perspectives national security issues, et. al. provides to a discussion regar LanternWaste Jul 2013 #32

a little perspective on Obama's experience growing up black in America, or your attempt to derail geek tragedy Jul 2013 #39

little perspective? As if there haven't been 18,000+ posts on the matter Sheepshank Jul 2013 #122

stop & frisk targeting black kids is part & parcel of the security state. what use are speeches HiPointDem Jul 2013 #138

"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #26

You will know them by their reactions. -nt CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #28

It's hilarious--some people need to bring up "OBama is the NSA Monster who eats kitties" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #30

But my question is "THEN what do we do?" nolabear Jul 2013 #35

I've had to delete a number of people on facebook today and yesterday too. allin99 Jul 2013 #33

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #36

I almost hate to admit it but the administration response to the snappyturtle Jul 2013 #45

words are wind HiPointDem Jul 2013 #139

My favorite quote. bravenak Jul 2013 #189

My current living situation exposes me to FOX nearly every afternoon... dogknob Jul 2013 #38

I guess I should see what their take is. (Deep breath) I'm goin' in! nolabear Jul 2013 #43

Okay, I went in. They're ignoring it completely. nolabear Jul 2013 #46

so glad he spoke out. DesertFlower Jul 2013 #40

Right-wingers were outraged by this speech too... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #42

More outraged than they were when he was elected President? It's really not OUTrage kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #63

I've run into some that are SHOCKED there are white people who like him. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #67

The next time that happens Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #74

Quick! Grab a shovel! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #185

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #50

"Obama saying perfectly reasonable things about race turns out to be an excellent asshole detector" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #53

I like what the President said... TommyCelt Jul 2013 #51

They're not going to press charges against Zimmerman. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #54

Sorry, I've been swamped @ work TommyCelt Jul 2013 #60

No, just seems pretty obvious. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #62

Agreed TommyCelt Jul 2013 #66

No, they haven't ruled it out at all. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #186

I just posted the entire press conference.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #52

Great speech. I think it's going to take a few more generations, but my son and his pals Flatulo Jul 2013 #55

That's my kids and my kids' friends as well bhikkhu Jul 2013 #115

He and like minds ruin more lives and dents more futures of black folks than anything he discussed TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #56

I hope that is part of what is opened up from this. nolabear Jul 2013 #58

So this means nothing? great white snark Jul 2013 #69

Grateful for what? Protecting poor outcomes and waste from a system of extraction and control? TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #155

Hopefully so, but the gopers have been Iliyah Jul 2013 #57

What a man, what a man, what a mighty fine man. SeaLyons Jul 2013 #59

Think it's enough to get Holder off the hook? Junkdrawer Jul 2013 #65

It is not a matter of getting Holder "off the hook". M0rpheus Jul 2013 #78

there's nothing we can do about anything, to hear some people talk. can't do anything about HiPointDem Jul 2013 #140

From my VERY jaded view M0rpheus Jul 2013 #152

That's the excuse they like to offer IrishAyes Jul 2013 #187

He made history by encouraging us to keep going forward. My takeaway is that the work is on US. ancianita Jul 2013 #70

Yes, PBO, is trying to lead on this and he also refuses to "hate back" like Cha Jul 2013 #71

He took an opportunity that could have slipped by, and did it well. JohnnyLib2 Jul 2013 #75

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #76

I'm just ready to burst with love and respect for Mr. President today. Bette Noir Jul 2013 #79

k&r... spanone Jul 2013 #80

What he said about race was awesome, Vattel Jul 2013 #82

I think having the specific and traumatic incident gave it power it wouldn't have had. nolabear Jul 2013 #90

I agree with you that he took a stand on certain issues concerning race and the law, Vattel Jul 2013 #95

I don't think he should have. It's inappropriate and he's addressing the bigger picture. nolabear Jul 2013 #96

My problem with what he did Vattel Jul 2013 #100

Okay, I accept that. nolabear Jul 2013 #113

I was yelling 'He went there!'. This is the conversation I was waiting for!!! SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #94

Pres.Obama is a man of integrity c588415 Jul 2013 #97

I knew it had to have been a speech before I even clicked. Bonobo Jul 2013 #98

I thought leaders were to inspire others treestar Jul 2013 #110

Not always. Ask Lilly Ledbetter and Judge Kagan and my son with the pre-existing. nolabear Jul 2013 #120

Just as we new it would be a petty whine about the President when we saw your name appear nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #151

I applaud Obama for mentioning Trayvon Martin.... On the other hand Bonobo Jul 2013 #99

This is a conversation we all need etherealtruth Jul 2013 #104

Agreed nolabear! tweeternik Jul 2013 #108

K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #109

This felt equal in importance to the Gettysburg Address steve2470 Jul 2013 #112

And 25 years ago he could have been one of the millions of recreational pot smokers that Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #119

huh? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #123

Yes, because his point about "that could have been me" is just as applicable. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #124

You can divert the topic in myriad ways with that argument. Doesn't help either way. nolabear Jul 2013 #126

Sorry, but if he's going to bring up what "could have been me", I can't simply suspend the knowledge Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #128

except that 25 years ago there was less chance of being arrested. and 'three strikes' laws HiPointDem Jul 2013 #141

How dare that black man talk about race without addressing your pet issue! nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #150

Right. I just want a pony. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #193

apparently you didn't listen to speech...there was reference to drugs/arrests/race Sheepshank Jul 2013 #203

So does that mean that from here on out Holder won't be letting SWAT teams break down doors to Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #214

why do you keep changing the subject? Sheepshank Jul 2013 #216

right, sure, you've got my number. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #217

you can quit with the martyr syndrome any time now. Sheepshank Jul 2013 #218

fine. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #219

The search for why "Obama did it wrong" continues ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #226

Recommended (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #121

While I get frustrated at many of his political ways tavalon Jul 2013 #125

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #127

it was a rare and beautiful thing to hear the unvarnished truth spoken from the heart and experience BREMPRO Jul 2013 #129

Thanks again, nolabear. Hekate Jul 2013 #131

Yes,it was needed DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #137

I think so MichaelKelley Jul 2013 #142

That was one for the ages. alphafemale Jul 2013 #145

"inviting and refusing to hate back." Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #153

Say what? Raine1967 Jul 2013 #160

Obama is black and white NOLALady Jul 2013 #162

I think you miss the point. The subjective experience of being a black man in America nolabear Jul 2013 #192

"Hispanic" is not a race. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #201

President Obama's shining example IrishAyes Jul 2013 #157

K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #188

I love my president. bravenak Jul 2013 #190

Kick for nolabear Cha Jul 2013 #220