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ColesCountyDem

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16. Great post, but it really doesn't help me resolve my *personal*; ethical dilemma, sadly.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:13 PM
Sep 2013

I'm pleased to see more nations dropping out of the 'WAR! WAR! WAR!" cheer leading squad (honest!), and I'm genuinely glad to see virtually all of those same folks wanting to wait and see what the UN inspectors have to say. That said, my 'gut' tells me that even Russia, China and Iran likely believe that Assad DID, in fact, use chemical agents on his own people, but just won't or can't say so, or even appear to be seen as saying so. That said....

I had a great-uncle who was gassed in WW1, and survived (as an invalid) for almost 36 more years, coughing up his life one chunk of lung at a time. I wasn't born until after he died, but I can never forget the mixture of deep, lingering anger and sadness that infused every word that was spoken about him and what had happened to him, every time his name was mentioned. Yes, his death was a single one, but the horror of it penetrated the entire family, and still does.

I'm not much impressed with the false equivalency-type arguments, frankly. Civil wars are, by their very nature, tragedies writ large. Nor am I dissuaded by the, "It was OK when Saddam was doing it to the Iranians and we were supplying him". Just because the criminal Reagan and Bush administrations did it THEN doesn't make it OK for us to ignore NOW, if you see my point.

I want the UN to answer the question, "Did he or did he not do it?". That matters ENORMOUSLY to me, on a personal level, and if he did, then he deserves to be punished, period, end of sentence. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "If this (sic) is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel....".

I know my view may well be unpopular, and I well understand why it may be so, but it is how I feel in every cell of my body, and in the marrow of my very bones.

Thanks for taking the time to read my $.02's worth!

*dons flame-retardant gear*

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Two-thirds of French oppose Syria action: poll dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #1
I forecast that French public opinion will swing further against intervention. David__77 Sep 2013 #2
Oh boy. The rhetoric is going to get more desperate and shrill now Catherina Sep 2013 #3
Good Morning, my dear. cali Sep 2013 #7
We have about 1% support for Obama in Oregon now. Coyotl Sep 2013 #10
And all 18 of them Aerows Sep 2013 #14
More people work in the defense industry than support Obama on this one! Coyotl Sep 2013 #24
And it's just not liberal districts like DeFazio's that are saying this. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #34
Same here :( Catherina Sep 2013 #11
That guy is full of bullshit. Coyotl Sep 2013 #38
Well- at some point blaming the rebels for the chemical attack will be put in CT forum. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #27
Oh, boy, the war-cheerleaders will have a sad RetroLounge Sep 2013 #4
You kiddin'? France has a reserved spot. Iggo Sep 2013 #22
After Libya and Mali Jeneral2885 Sep 2013 #5
Dear John please use the UN Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2013 #6
He had no difficulty convincing EU countries Assad used chemical weapons... Barack_America Sep 2013 #8
+1 SunSeeker Sep 2013 #15
Yes. It's a form of cowardice. Yes, Assad used chemical weapons & is almost assuredly going to again KittyWampus Sep 2013 #31
The US military FUCKING HELPED Hussein gas the Iranians (not sure about the Kurds) eridani Sep 2013 #54
International joint statement on Syria ProSense Sep 2013 #9
Nowhere in that statement does it call for unilateral military action on the part of the USA. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #17
EU: All info on Syria gas attack points to Assad ProSense Sep 2013 #20
We all agree that if he used chemical weapons on his own people he should be held accountable. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #28
excuse me? A huge number of DU'ers are totally unwilling to concede Assad used chemical weapons in KittyWampus Sep 2013 #35
I said "if" he used chemical weapons. Did Assad personally order the use of the weapons? Or totodeinhere Sep 2013 #43
There's just one teeny weeny problem with your personal preference... Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #45
I think you are confusing the International Court of Justice with the International Criminal Court. totodeinhere Sep 2013 #47
Oops. I stand corrected. I also stand by my basic point, however. Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #57
Fair enough. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2013 #58
That's more strongly worded than the headlines would suggest. SunSeeker Sep 2013 #18
Kerry is so funny LittleBlue Sep 2013 #12
Kerry was against it before he was for it. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #13
And that was before he was against it again n/t durablend Sep 2013 #32
Great post, but it really doesn't help me resolve my *personal*; ethical dilemma, sadly. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #16
Great post. nt SunSeeker Sep 2013 #21
Thank you! ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #23
Punished how? I understand your sentiment cali Sep 2013 #29
In whatever way is most pointed and painful to his regime. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #37
Does it make it okay that this very Administration chose to exonerate the Bush War Criminals sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #39
I didn't (and won't) make that argument. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #44
It's not the past. The victims are still producing deformed babies and begging for help, right now. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #46
I apologize, but I'm not going to follow you into that argument. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #48
Something else? Are we not talking about War Crimes? sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #53
We're talking about violating the 1993 Geneva CWC, or at least I am. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #56
Ask the Japanese who bombed them with nukes malaise Sep 2013 #51
Don't forget Poland. rug Sep 2013 #19
The guillotine casts a long shadow... Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #25
EU agrees that all indications on Syria chemical attack points to Assad KittyWampus Sep 2013 #26
Yes. The equivalent of the "strongly worded letter". It is not cali Sep 2013 #33
Most French know the difference between a shit sandwich and a macaron jsr Sep 2013 #30
Dear Coles School Teacher Sep 2013 #36
That's why I'm not advocating a military response, necessarily. ColesCountyDem Sep 2013 #41
Obama's idol RR did nothing when Saddam used chemical weapons in the 1980s. jsr Sep 2013 #42
But Kerry speaks French and everything! polichick Sep 2013 #40
Oh that's it no more French Fries for me Chisox08 Sep 2013 #49
K&R woo me with science Sep 2013 #50
Kerry reminds me more of Robert McNamara everyday. dflprincess Sep 2013 #52
good comparison. cali Sep 2013 #55
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