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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
31. Yes. And NO.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:00 AM
Sep 2013

The key words being "the current system," which is dominated by corporate policies that are not educationally sound.

Developmentally, large classrooms with a lot of sitting and listening are not at all appropriate for young children.

What IS appropriate:

Learning through play. Developing fine motor skills with clay and crayons and paints, etc..

Abundant time reading with an adult, one-on-one and small group. Learning group behaviors like listening, taking turns...

Singing, rhymes, poems, etc..

LANGUAGE development: Actual conversations with adults.

Creating their own stories with puppets, toys, etc..

Learning one-to-one correspondence with concrete things...like the things they are playing with.

Building and making things.

Dancing, tumbling, etc...

Learning how to interact with other children in small, safe, environments with supportive adults.

All of that can be done by parents, and some do all or most. Not all parents do these things. Some children come to kindergarten without ever having read a book, without ever having held a crayon, without most of the developmental activities listed above that get them ready for academic learning. And, in the world of high-stakes testing, academics are there in kindergarten.

Not that children can't learn important academic skills in kindergarten; it's just that the rest must come first, and academics must be presented in developmentally appropriate ways.

It's not that children need to stay out of school until they are older. That's a dangerous thing to do, since most of the neural connections that they will need for academic learning are formed by age 4. They just need a system that supports the way they learn.

In the smaller picture, allow pre-school and kindergarten to be developmentally appropriate, and get as many kids there as possible. In the larger picture, dump the damned corporate model with the privatization agenda, and allow the rest of the system to be structured in healthier, more productive, more positive ways.

we can put them in corporate sweat shops while waiting a few years for school nt msongs Sep 2013 #1
or eat them. . . Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #23
I think there's a lot of truth here. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2
Kindergarten really is the new first grade. winter is coming Sep 2013 #4
It's indoctrination rather than play. Really there should be more play through K12. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #5
You know what's funny/sad about that? Learning through play isn't a new idea. winter is coming Sep 2013 #11
I homeschooled my daughter. All of her education was through play. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #22
I couldn't believe, but my grandaughter has homework in kindergarten! B Calm Sep 2013 #26
It's sickening, isn't it? Mariana Sep 2013 #29
I have long wondered this: we require that kindergarteners meet Squinch Sep 2013 #7
My son just started kindergarten FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #17
I have spent years trying to undo the damage done by my son's school. I have tried to teach him liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #18
I'm glad your boy has you to encourage him. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #20
I am so sorry. A 5 year old shouldn't have to go through that. I would say Squinch Sep 2013 #35
YAY! I love to see this. But this is an idea that actually has some Squinch Sep 2013 #3
Play time is absolutely fundamental. gulliver Sep 2013 #6
Is school really all that hard when you're under 10? I remember liking it. reformist2 Sep 2013 #8
"When I was that age..." is just another way of denying the scientific results TeamPooka Sep 2013 #38
Ridiculous proud2BlibKansan Sep 2013 #9
I agree. El Supremo Sep 2013 #52
There is a lot of evidence that early kindergarten is good for most kids daleo Sep 2013 #10
I agree, and my daughter is living proof Glitterati Sep 2013 #12
I'd say that's good advice given our current education environment. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #13
I don't think one size fits all. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #14
That's exactly it. laundry_queen Sep 2013 #61
I know that Finland doesn't start school SheilaT Sep 2013 #15
My kids didn't have a problem. They both missed the cut off date and never had any social problems. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #16
You make the point about how kids are very different. SheilaT Sep 2013 #19
My oldest had a birthdate that missed the cut-off by 5 days. mnhtnbb Sep 2013 #25
I don't know about that... k2qb3 Sep 2013 #21
And pay for daycare? JVS Sep 2013 #24
My 2 cents, though no one asked SamKnause Sep 2013 #27
A very humanistic view of how things should be etherealtruth Sep 2013 #56
Agree. And I'm very glad to hear this since I expect to have vanlassie Sep 2013 #59
I agree with everything you said. Science says that young adults brains don't finish fully forming liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #62
I beg to disagree. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #28
I agree. Mariana Sep 2013 #30
I would reverse those score requirements nt TeamPooka Sep 2013 #39
15 years? kiva Sep 2013 #34
Yes. And NO. LWolf Sep 2013 #31
"Dump the corporate model." exactly. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #45
Great post. woo me with science Sep 2013 #58
You're welcome. LWolf Sep 2013 #60
I agree....and socialize younger. Tikki Sep 2013 #32
you got it. They need the socialization that preschool and kindergarten bring, but as far as liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #44
Introducing children to all the electronic media/TV avebury Sep 2013 #33
You're not buying the right games :) TBF Sep 2013 #37
I only have 4-legged babies. avebury Sep 2013 #43
I dunno ... TBF Sep 2013 #47
We were actually talking about this at work. avebury Sep 2013 #50
I was speaking in general terms - TBF Sep 2013 #51
It is important for parents to take the time to parent and avebury Sep 2013 #54
It's just a different time. That's all. I think all people have a difficult time accepting that liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #57
It is kind of interesting listening to my friend talk avebury Sep 2013 #63
I think video games can teach a lot. They teach kids how to strategize, plan, and they can also liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #48
It's really not my thing - TBF Sep 2013 #49
I'd like to see year-round school TBF Sep 2013 #36
Totally agree. ananda Sep 2013 #40
I don't agree. I attended kindergarten at age 5 in Pennsylvania. RebelOne Sep 2013 #41
That's great when one parent can stay at home. haele Sep 2013 #42
I totally agree with you regarding if a family is lucky avebury Sep 2013 #46
That is actually why I decided to stay home - TBF Sep 2013 #53
I hear you. I have a good friend who, avebury Sep 2013 #55
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