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In reply to the discussion: Maybe the idealist liberals can just stifile themselves [View all]ancianita
(36,238 posts)100. It's CIC behavior. It's leadership. Real leading is disgusting, which is why most of us don't do it.
Read up a little bit. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31925.htm
As you can see, he didn't invent killing lists.
It's easy to say NOW that we'd choose Warren or Sanders -- hell, I'm totally with you there -- but they came AFTER Obama's grueling and humiliating fight to be the leader of the most powerful country on the planet. Notice how Sanders didn't step up for the job, friend.
This president's job is totally different from theirs, as he well learned when he moved from their level of high ground moralism to oversee the largest military on the planet. How luxurious and safe we feel as we judge those who do our dirty work.
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I scream about smearing with lime jello and dare them to have a problem with it.
Spitfire of ATJ
Sep 2013
#52
1) bad policy proposed 2) we "wait for the details" before saying anything 3) it passes
MisterP
Sep 2013
#6
you're so right! once a law passes, is impossible to change back. look at the 9/11-knee jerk laws.
Sunlei
Sep 2013
#16
It's not totally up to industry. It can be done for the greater good of all. Industry can suck it.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#65
Like Welfare Reform? That was, how long ago now? Airc, it was supposed to be 'fixed'.
sabrina 1
Sep 2013
#106
I don't know exactly your take on the ODS, but for me it's improper semantically and culturally.
libdem4life
Sep 2013
#83
The "__ Derangement syndrome" meme is a well known right wing attack device created by
Dragonfli
Sep 2013
#116
Thanks for the explanation...wasn't around here during Bush and frankly wasn't too surprised
libdem4life
Sep 2013
#137
Thank you! That's all the idealist liberals ask. When the time is right, the ideals become real.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#72
big difference between idealist and ideologue. Idealist works towards goals, taking long view.
KittyWampus
Sep 2013
#14
And then there's the apathetic, who just snarls at anyone arguing against status quo n/t
Scootaloo
Sep 2013
#112
Before I put in my two cents, I'll say that the MLK photo implication is clever of you.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#17
They're just fussing with each other. Families do that, and I'm feminist enough to say that.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#75
Absolutism absolutely fails. Practicality & pragmatism often win. Sometimes stifle, sometimes shout.
Bernardo de La Paz
Sep 2013
#22
This 'irony' shit is so fucking tiresome. Leave it to One-Note, I mean, Third-Way Manny.
Richardo
Sep 2013
#23
The Left is not throwable. Got that? Obama knows that liberal idealism has inherent validity. Obama
ancianita
Sep 2013
#68
It's CIC behavior. It's leadership. Real leading is disgusting, which is why most of us don't do it.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#100
True, I might be misinterpreting you, but I do think we have to moderate words like "disgust"
ancianita
Sep 2013
#108
Just imagine what this country would be like if either of his opponents had won.
Phlem
Sep 2013
#109
I negated the unfounded, thus unfair claim that Obama invented kill lists. I was irritated by
ancianita
Sep 2013
#134
Damned right we should continue that movement. You're talking about fair weather moderates.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#71
"All sorts of people" are not what liberal idealists are. They think differently from fair weather
ancianita
Sep 2013
#77
There was a very great amount more outrage here over the possibility of going to war in Syria
Gman
Sep 2013
#56
that's because it's right wing republicans gutting voting rights. We expect that
Doctor_J
Sep 2013
#111
You expect Dems to fight them on it??? With what? With what support? It's a dead issue here now
Gman
Sep 2013
#115
Imagine if GWB had told the Tea Partiers to stand down. Their moniker did not emerge out of a
libdem4life
Sep 2013
#78
Glad you liked it. Might as well do a little sanctification for the hell of it.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#86
I don't understand. Are you saying that liberal idealists are some form of authoritarian?
ancianita
Sep 2013
#88
That I agree with. Idealists and authoritarians don't get along. Not for idealists lack of trying.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#90
Pretty much. It's about the power of love vs. the love of power. About win/win vs. win/lose politics
ancianita
Sep 2013
#92
Maybe idealist liberals should recognize that they are not the only Democrats who care
bluestate10
Sep 2013
#97
They do recognize. But they shouldn't have to stfu about visions that end need, hard work or
ancianita
Sep 2013
#104
CD, the problem isn't so much the idealism on the left....it's how it's used. nt
AverageJoe90
Sep 2013
#113
You'll be holding your thought a lot longer if you're waiting for a GOP Prez to make it all happen.
Scurrilous
Sep 2013
#117
Remember our poutrage over that homophobic Fucknutz at the inaugural?
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2013
#127
That's right, just twist this thread all to hell in order to shoot the shotgun snark at yea-sayers.
ancianita
Sep 2013
#144
IN MY RUSH OF IDEALISM, I MUST'A IMAGINED THAT THE PREZ. SAID TO PUSH HIM, FDR TOO
drynberg
Sep 2013
#147