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Hekate

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129. You've got plenty of company, CreekDog. There's a streak of madness in America's makeup.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 03:38 AM
Sep 2013

There's some guy in Oregon walking up and down the sidewalk in front of an elementary school carrying a rifle. When I read the article several days ago, eight different residents on that street had called the cops, and the cops had let it be known that the rifleman was within his rights to do what he was doing.

Any rational person knows that the teachers and students are being terrified by his presence. Just since 2000, and counting only those where 3 or more were killed, here's the list. Not all of these names leap out at you, do they? But enough of them are right in the front of our minds that you would think it would be understood that vulnerable people are being terrified -- and he knows it, and the cops know it. Nonetheless there were DUers in that thread who vehemently defended this behavior as his "right."

Just going through this list makes my stomach hurt.

Thurston HS Oregon,
Columbine HS Colorado,
Santana HS California,
Red Lake HS Minnesota,
Amish School Pennsylvania,
Virginia Tech,
Northern Illinois University,
University of Alabama Huntsville,
Chardon HS Ohio,
Oikos University California,
Sandy Hook Elementary School Connecticut,
Hazard Community College Kentucky,
Santa Monica College California.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

Madness.

Earlier this year I saw a guy carrying a gun in Publix, not a security guy. djean111 Sep 2013 #1
I think I would do the same. I would be sure to tell the store manager why I was leaving. Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #2
Right now Chuuku Davis Sep 2013 #4
Thank goodness for that Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #11
That's true now, but you never know when that might change. Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #17
Me too! I would take my basket with what I had already selected to the customer service counter and Fla Dem Sep 2013 #147
This whole "open carry" thing tosh Sep 2013 #5
Too many John Wayne movies Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #28
Apparently they're doing it to "educate" us that guns aren't dangerous. Squinch Sep 2013 #32
The other day, some controller/banners said they PREFERRED OC. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #41
so you just said that gun control proponents value open carry? CreekDog Sep 2013 #60
Hey, it's a poll within your castellated walls. Take a look. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #121
No wonder you want to carry guns everywhere --you clearly won't get by on your wits alone CreekDog Sep 2013 #126
Oh, you're just being silly. I'll take my deficient syntax over your sports writing. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #128
Maybe you should do a another poll pintobean Sep 2013 #134
the recommends and responses in this thread show what most here believe CreekDog Sep 2013 #143
Show me pintobean Sep 2013 #145
So by your logic, to call ourselves Democrats, we should probably develop unanimous Squinch Sep 2013 #102
I see no logic at all in your verbal mix master... Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #120
I am not aware of the poll, but I'll let everyone know that we're meeting at your house. Squinch Sep 2013 #149
As long as you're buying! Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #152
It is deranged malaise Sep 2013 #132
If you are in Florida, open carry is illegal HockeyMom Sep 2013 #7
Sneaky and devious? rl6214 Sep 2013 #114
same here basically CreekDog Sep 2013 #12
I'd leave too, and call the store and tell them why. nt Ilsa Sep 2013 #43
The strange thing to me is: IF a person is deranged and truly wants to "Go Postal", the FIRST... BlueJazz Sep 2013 #94
Just curious, where do you live?? Chuuku Davis Sep 2013 #3
why does this refer to where I live? CreekDog Sep 2013 #13
California. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #45
OK, now that is really weird Link Speed Sep 2013 #59
The reporting of the event quoted LE. Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #61
It just dawned on me Link Speed Sep 2013 #73
Or Skittles. Squinch Sep 2013 #75
Or skittles and watermelon drink. rl6214 Sep 2013 #116
Teen of color with a baseball bat? NealK Sep 2013 #84
That law in CA has changed - it's generally not legal to open-carry either petronius Sep 2013 #106
yep, I noted that above Gormy Cuss Sep 2013 #150
Oh Hell Yes!!! kentuck Sep 2013 #6
Florida. djean111 Sep 2013 #14
If you saw someone open carrying in Florida Jenoch Sep 2013 #35
You know what? It doesn't matter to me. djean111 Sep 2013 #36
Why should a U.S. Marshall always be easily identified? Jenoch Sep 2013 #44
So I should just think that a random guy with a gun in a grocery store is a U.S. Marshall? djean111 Sep 2013 #48
You certainly can make that choice for yourself. Jenoch Sep 2013 #52
you said the bank customer screwed up by not knowing a US Marshall when he saw one CreekDog Sep 2013 #64
I did not write that bank customer screwed up because Jenoch Sep 2013 #117
Well the OP was written by someone who said they would leave the store. djean111 Sep 2013 #66
In that case I would still leave... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #37
why is a bank customer expected to know that it was a US Marshall? CreekDog Sep 2013 #63
Of course a bank customer is not expected Jenoch Sep 2013 #101
I don't leave when I see some idiotic jerk carrying a gun... 99Forever Sep 2013 #8
Yup. I'm glad I live in a state where this shit doesn't happen. RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #9
There are plenty of people packing in your state. Their guns are just hidden. Throd Sep 2013 #71
We're posting in a thread about open carry. RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #131
Perhaps. RedFury Sep 2013 #148
R#5 & K for, yip, it's going to have to be the corporate owners to shut down the gun loons UTUSN Sep 2013 #10
Starbucks has not changed their policy. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #46
Let's not waste each other's time with this exchange. UTUSN Sep 2013 #57
Perhaps you should read it carefully. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #83
how do you know that people who don't want to see open carrying of guns are in favor of gun control? CreekDog Sep 2013 #67
Both times I have had this happen to me I made sure I left, called and then spoke with the msanthrope Sep 2013 #15
That's what I would do also, luckily haven't had the opportunity. northoftheborder Sep 2013 #16
Me too shenmue Sep 2013 #18
Unless those openly carried guns are drawn and pointed they are a target for people who want but ... JEFF9K Sep 2013 #19
wait for them to start shooting before getting concerned? CreekDog Sep 2013 #68
Point and laugh at them. They're not going to shoot you. Throd Sep 2013 #20
You wanna take s bet on that? Brigid Sep 2013 #30
I would. They want to intimidate people, not spend prison in life for first degree murder. Throd Sep 2013 #51
You think George Zimmerman is the only wannabe / whack out there? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #70
George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin under the cover of darkness with no witnesses. Throd Sep 2013 #74
I admit to a bad example. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #86
There were witnesses. The trail was heavily covered here on DU. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #95
"The Trail" CreekDog Sep 2013 #105
So I made a typo. Big deal. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #107
Oh, yeah. That's sensible. Squinch Sep 2013 #33
So have I, but not by some self-important blowhard trying to make a point. Throd Sep 2013 #53
Yeah, and I will tell a cop to go fuck himself... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #39
I would leave and complain to management on my way out etherealtruth Sep 2013 #21
I don't know what you mean by EvilAL Sep 2013 #23
Really ... you don't understand ...? etherealtruth Sep 2013 #25
Maybe it's the 'good guys with guns' EvilAL Sep 2013 #31
So now imagine a bunch of guys going into Starbucks and showing off their guns because they Squinch Sep 2013 #34
I just don't think I'd see it that way EvilAL Sep 2013 #77
And if you saw 10 guys with guns at Tim Horton's? Squinch Sep 2013 #96
Actually neither is dead. Southpaw07 Sep 2013 #42
Actually, you would know they were both dead had I copied the correct link to the michigan case etherealtruth Sep 2013 #55
No problem. Southpaw07 Sep 2013 #135
Enforcement of existing law may have prevented that incident. pintobean Sep 2013 #136
Law enforcement constantly trains to fire guns in an appropriate manner. MsPithy Sep 2013 #62
Aren't law enforcement people 'civilians' too? EvilAL Sep 2013 #82
The police in your town "constantly train"? Wow. Mine go to the range every 3 years Recursion Sep 2013 #99
Cops are lousy shots. Remember the hail of tblue37 Sep 2013 #103
It's a reference to Wayne La Pierre's statement after the Sandy Hook Elemen. School massacre Hekate Sep 2013 #130
In the pantheon of things I have to worry about rrneck Sep 2013 #22
I would most definitely leave...especially if I had one of my grandchildren with me.... cynatnite Sep 2013 #24
Intentions: esp. If they have a gun concealed. Ignorance is bliss? Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #47
I thought about that, too, but openly carrying gets me thinking of mass shootings... cynatnite Sep 2013 #65
In most mass shootings, the weapon (long gun or handgun) was hidden. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #100
I would continue shopping. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #26
I think that waiting until the weirdness starts is too late. djean111 Sep 2013 #40
I would leave katmondoo Sep 2013 #27
Up my awareness and Duckhunter935 Sep 2013 #29
I'd take a good look at the guy and attempt Jenoch Sep 2013 #38
Same here. But I've lived in 2 states where OC is not allowed -- Texas & Florida. Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #50
Minnesota has had a CCW law for ten years. Jenoch Sep 2013 #56
My experience as well. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #122
so everyone who open carries isn't a dangerous person, but a Minnesota CCW holder CreekDog Sep 2013 #141
I don't understand your point. Jenoch Sep 2013 #142
just keep changing the subject, keep acting like you forgot the post you made minutes ago CreekDog Sep 2013 #144
A quote from the Tao of Bruce Lee go west young man Sep 2013 #49
^This^ truebluegreen Sep 2013 #81
I would avoid any building where people are openly carrying pintobean Sep 2013 #54
disingenuous CreekDog Sep 2013 #69
Lighten up Francis pintobean Sep 2013 #76
well that would be a refreshing change CreekDog Sep 2013 #119
Is this supposed to be funny? NealK Sep 2013 #91
he gets upset when I criticize something to the right of me. CreekDog Sep 2013 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Sep 2013 #58
i`d walk out of any store where someone would openly carry madrchsod Sep 2013 #72
I would leave too and let them know why. NealK Sep 2013 #78
I live in Tennessee, where our lunatic General Assembly has passed cheapdate Sep 2013 #79
How would our guy handle "Oh, look, he DOES have a dick, I didn't see it at first, but it's right toby jo Sep 2013 #80
has that been known to kill a dozen people in minutes? CreekDog Sep 2013 #93
Thar she blows! The 231' foot Penis of Doom! Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #123
which is as seriously as anyone here should take any of your posts in this thread CreekDog Sep 2013 #139
You just keep tryin' and tryin' and tryin.' Well, try reading this: Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #146
I dunno. Guns I can see don't bother me that much. Recursion Sep 2013 #85
Pls see my post #87 below. That wouldn't bother you? AlinPA Sep 2013 #88
Keep in mind I grew up in a place where you'd see that most Saturdays Recursion Sep 2013 #90
shootings in this country are as rare as being struck by lightning while being eaten by a bear? CreekDog Sep 2013 #89
*Random mass shootings*, the kind where a person I don't know will sneak up and shoot me Recursion Sep 2013 #92
My OP didn't say mass, random shooting, don't play games with DUers here CreekDog Sep 2013 #97
No, actually, very few people are killed by strangers every year, which was my point Recursion Sep 2013 #98
Since we are talking about lightning. GreenStormCloud Sep 2013 #109
so you're limiting your stat to CCW's now? CreekDog Sep 2013 #138
You obviously grew up in a culture where guns were common ecstatic Sep 2013 #112
If someone walks into my local CVS drugstore holding a shotgun, I would do more than just "avoid". AlinPA Sep 2013 #87
Me too! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #104
If the gun was the only 'unusual' thing about them, then I'd go about my petronius Sep 2013 #108
The open carry crowd doesn't understand that they're slowly destroying what we love ecstatic Sep 2013 #110
Do you really feel pushed to "arm to the teeth" and "wear bullet proof vests?" Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Sep 2013 #127
How many times in your life have you been in a store and seen a person carrying a firearm openly? NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #111
Deer season Recursion Sep 2013 #113
I supposed it's possible that I've seen them and just not cared or been alarmed. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #115
and this is relevant why? CreekDog Sep 2013 #118
I would get the hell out of that store as discretely and quickly as possible if I saw someone had a avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #125
You've got plenty of company, CreekDog. There's a streak of madness in America's makeup. Hekate Sep 2013 #129
I would be more likely to go to stores who post no guns on premises! B Calm Sep 2013 #133
no one open carries anywhere near where i live but i am with you on this. tk2kewl Sep 2013 #137
me too gopiscrap Sep 2013 #151
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