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In reply to the discussion: C'mon people. Use your noggin. Obama knew, and approved of it. [View all]randome
(34,845 posts)4. Who really gives a shit?
Why is it so important to know on what side of the outrage corridor one should walk? Do you really think we simply MUST know about every internal kerfuffle that goes on in an administration?
Foreign policy is best left to the diplomats to figure out. Internal politics is best left to the politicians. Suppose we knew the answer to your questions. What is to be gained by that answer? We might have knowledge but would it be anything actionable?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
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C'mon people. Use your noggin. Obama knew, and approved of it. [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2013
OP
good point Manny. I find it very curious that no one has lost their job over the NSA mess.
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2013
#1
I'm missing how dismissing this issue as an "internal kerfuffle" is productive.
winter is coming
Oct 2013
#20
Clearly, it does register on your radar, or you wouldn't be trying so hard to minimalize it.
winter is coming
Oct 2013
#115
It doesn't take much effort to type out a post or two. I'm a very fast typist.
randome
Oct 2013
#118
Not exactly "dismissive". He or she actively wants all of us to be dismissive. I'm not buying it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#60
Not everything that occurs in politics needs to affect me personally for me to be outraged.
randome
Oct 2013
#37
That explains nothing. It only lists your priorities. How selfish. This is not about you.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#113
If NSA internal antics rise above what I listed, I think you have a warped sense of priorities.
randome
Oct 2013
#116
Seems to me that you are "scared" of the truth. And werent you the one saying that the
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#137
If you didn't care, you wouldn't spend so much time telling us that you don't care. Obviously.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#122
Our Constitution does not cover Germany nor does it cover anyone outside our borders.
randome
Oct 2013
#141
LOL. Micro manage. Is that what you call oversight? I bet you think that banks should
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#146
They monitor foreign communications. Why is this something to get upset about?
randome
Oct 2013
#149
Manny, nobody in the White House knew where all the stuff in the briefing books came from.
jsr
Oct 2013
#11
That we spy on foreigners is old news. That we spy on AMERICANS is NEWS...nt
Jesus Malverde
Oct 2013
#99
"We"? It is not old news that the NSA spies upon all telephone conversations.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#112
Spy-upon-everyone as UNAMERICAN. Saying "we" and identifying with the spy-masters doesn't excuse it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#147
Of course it's possible. And it's a possibility that I find far more worrying. n/t
winter is coming
Oct 2013
#27
There is proof. Snowden told him and the world. Now the question is when did he know.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#78
All this crap just convinces me that since Cheney and Bush put this in place these
Autumn
Oct 2013
#47
The FBI has the ability to spy on anyone. Your local police officer has this ability.
randome
Oct 2013
#94
If Bush were still in office, no one here would doubt for a second that Bush (or Pres. Cheney) knew.
Marr
Oct 2013
#49
I would doubt it. But from what I understood it was started under Bush direction and ended under O.
vaberella
Oct 2013
#162
What's next? He knew of the Bush/Cheney tortures? He knows of the forced feeding of Gitmo guests?
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#59
So your argument is Obama knew because he has not fired someone who already quit.
jeff47
Oct 2013
#63
Betcha many in the Intelligence Community didn't tell Obama a damn thing....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2013
#65
I'll bet some of them still report to Cheney - that's probably how he knew...
polichick
Oct 2013
#69
Snowden's revelations makes it impossible for anyone to say that Obama doesn't know.
AnotherMcIntosh
Oct 2013
#81
They probably didnt tell Big Ron but I bet they told Nancy. You didnt want to cross Big Nance. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#156
You said it all. If it was only "plausible deniability" I wouldnt be so worried.
rhett o rick
Oct 2013
#138
I had to go back up and Rec the thread because of all the low budget spinning...
bvar22
Oct 2013
#142