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In reply to the discussion: Centrism... Is Basically Saying... You're A Reagan Democrat... [View all]Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)only possible solution. Don't get hung up on a word, stop wanting that Pony, Civil Unions are the best we can do. Obama can not support gay marriage! At least not until after the 2012 election! If he does he would lose in a landslide! Pragmatically speaking, the best we can hope for is Civil Unions until most of the older generation dies off. Until then demanding ponies with extreme poutrage just hurts your cause. While I understand why gay people would want equality, pragmatically it is not possible for many, many years.'
And yet now it is considered extremely right wing to oppose marriage equality and to whine about the pragmatic nature of separate civil unions for 'those people'. Fuck, in 2008 Obama had events hosted by 'ex gays'. By 2012 'ex gays' were Bachmann's gig. In 2008 Obama was preaching 'Sanctity, one man one woman'. Very 'pragmatically' he spoke of invisible and unprovable reasons for his 'pragmatic' views. Pragmatists of course do not believe in that which is unseen, but he was a faith based pragmatist in 08 raving about the 'spiritual nature' of heterosexual couples.
So to me, for all time that is who the 'Centrists' are. The folks who advocated 'slow change is the only change' and for years insisted that equality was an extreme demand that we could never attain. Say Anything Centrist I call them.
The Centrists were happy to have Rick Warren on that stage days after he called gay people pedophiles. That is the harvest of Centrism. That's why I find it foul and objectionable, weak willed but threaded with massive ego. Centrist insist they can see the future and know the possible without trial, without attempt, they say 'give up now, we are not good enough to accomplish anything, America.'