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DirkGently

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37. The drone conceit would seem exactly the "permanent war footing"
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:57 AM
Feb 2014

Obama said he opposed in the SOTU speech. The entire logic is that the U.S. in in a permanent state of worldwide, borderless war with shifting groups of "militants" or "terrorists," determined by unaccountable processes, carried out in secret, and subject to no apparent repercussions.

It's Bush-era conceit, relying on the concept of "war" to enhance the power of the executive. Cheney's baby, rationalized by Woo and others cooperative White House lawyers, to deliberately distort the balance of powers contemplated in the Constitution for the purpose of creating a "unitary executive" or whatever they're calling it now.

This will be the ugliest part of Obama's legacy, eventually condemned here as it is already everywhere else as a crime against humanity and an usupportable assumption of worldwide authority on the part of the U.S. that neither we nor anyone else accept from any other country.

Whether the number of innocents killed so far is in the hundreds or thousands is largely beside the point. We don't have the right to do this. We do not have the authority to rain death down on whomever we see fit, on whatever basis we claim, anytime, and anywhere.

Moreover, it's not going to solve terrorism or protect the country. It doesn't matter whether we've annhilated one civilian village or wedding party or a hundred. Every Hellfire is guaranteed to produce more anti-American sentiment than it can ever hope to snuff out.

Obama is wrong on this. History will blame him, and us, we will spend a long time crawling our way back toward any kind of worldwide credibility as an aribter of humanitarian standards or the rules of war or the wrongness of extra-territorial aggression.

Recommend. morningfog Feb 2014 #1
Drones + secret extrajudicial kill lists MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #2
Nothing. Nothing at all. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #13
Answer 5. If a drone kills them, then they are "combatants". GoneFishin Feb 2014 #3
First month without a US drone strike in Pakistan for over two years ProSense Feb 2014 #4
Maybe they just stopped reporting them whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #5
"First month without a US drone strike in Pakistan for over two years" cali Feb 2014 #6
Actually, ProSense Feb 2014 #8
The Drone Unknowns G_j Feb 2014 #11
The BIJ reports aren't from the government. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #12
"The BIJ reports aren't from the government" cali Feb 2014 #14
WTF? ProSense Feb 2014 #15
Yes bobduca Feb 2014 #21
Sorry, I don't click on your links. ProSense Feb 2014 #22
but its a link to your work bobduca Feb 2014 #35
Sorry, no sale. ProSense Feb 2014 #39
You see, the joke is, EVERY link to DU is work-safe for you! n/t bobduca Feb 2014 #40
Clapper and Alexander don't lie, either! Titonwan Feb 2014 #42
So? blackspade Feb 2014 #18
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #19
I think you have me confused with another poster.... blackspade Feb 2014 #34
Sorry, fixed. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #38
No problem! blackspade Feb 2014 #41
it's point bobduca Feb 2014 #23
Oh, so Titonwan Feb 2014 #30
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #31
that's great, however G_j Feb 2014 #7
Legitimate questions. Still, the report is a good sign. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #9
Maybe we ran out? eggplant Feb 2014 #10
Ran out of what? Drones or terrorists? No can't be terrorists, they will never run out, A Simple Game Feb 2014 #17
It's like hot dogs and hot dog buns. eggplant Feb 2014 #47
It ends if "We the People" ever take back control of our Country. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2014 #48
Of money. n/t ReRe Feb 2014 #20
Bwahahahaha! There's an endless supply of that. Just cut social services and voila! valerief Feb 2014 #32
Snort! Titonwan Feb 2014 #43
This is terrible policy. blackspade Feb 2014 #16
I thought that was the idea - To create enemies to fight for fun and profit. RC Feb 2014 #24
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Feb 2014 #26
x-actly! blackspade Feb 2014 #33
"War is a Racket" Titonwan Feb 2014 #44
Don't forget about JSOC which is under direct control of the POTUS and his mini me. L0oniX Feb 2014 #25
Fomenting more terrorism which we can spend more tax dollars on! bobduca Feb 2014 #27
"How does the administration justify the targeting of American citizens?" Titonwan Feb 2014 #28
Won't somebody please think of the jobs! SHRED Feb 2014 #29
Drones nil desperandum Feb 2014 #36
The drone conceit would seem exactly the "permanent war footing" DirkGently Feb 2014 #37
Well Said. bvar22 Feb 2014 #46
especially when others follow in our steps G_j Feb 2014 #49
Question 7: How many new Al Qaeda recruits are raised after a drone strike? Octafish Feb 2014 #45
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