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In reply to the discussion: America used to do big things. [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)32. JFK didn't give a damn about the moon, you know.
He cared about beating the Soviets, for symbolic value, but going to the moon? Not so much:
President Kennedy: Everything that we do ought to really be tied into getting onto the
Moon ahead of the Russians.
James Webb: Why cant it be tied to preeminence in space, which are your own .
President Kennedy: Because, by God, we keep, weve been telling everybody were
preeminent in space for five years and nobody believes it because they have the booster and
the satellite. We know all about the number of satellites we put up, two or three times the
number of the Soviet Union were ahead scientifically. Its like that instrument you got
up at Stanford which is costing us a hundred and twenty-five million dollars and everybody
tells me that were the number one in the world. And what is it? I cant think what it is.
Interruption from multiple unknown speakers: The linear accelerator.
President Kennedy: Im sorry, thats wonderful, but nobody knows anything about it!
James Webb: Let me say it slightly different. The advanced Saturn is eighty-five times as
powerful as the Atlas. Now we are building a tremendous giant rocket with an index number
of eighty-five if you give me Atlas one. Now, the Russians have had a booster thatll lift
fourteen thousand pounds into orbit. Theyve been very efficient and capable in it. The
kinds of things Im talking about that give you preeminence in space are what permits you
to make either that Russian booster or the advanced Saturn better than any other. A range
of progress possible it is so much different [unknown].
President Kennedy: The only . Were not going to settle the four hundred million this
morning. I want to take a look closely at what Dave Bell . But I do think we ought get it,
you know, really clear that the policy ought to be that this is the top-priority program of
the Agency, and one of the two things, except for defense, the top priority of the United
States government. I think that that is the position we ought to take. Now, this may not
change anything about that schedule, but at least we ought to be clear, otherwise we
shouldnt be spending this kind of money because Im not that interested in space. I think
its good; I think we ought to know about it; were ready to spend reasonable amounts of
money. But were talking about these fantastic expenditures which wreck our budget and all
these other domestic programs and the only justification for it, in my opinion, to do it in
this time or fashion, is because we hope to beat them and demonstrate that starting behind,
as we did by a couple years, by God, we passed them.
http://history.nasa.gov/JFK-Webbconv/pages/transcript.pdf
Moon ahead of the Russians.
James Webb: Why cant it be tied to preeminence in space, which are your own .
President Kennedy: Because, by God, we keep, weve been telling everybody were
preeminent in space for five years and nobody believes it because they have the booster and
the satellite. We know all about the number of satellites we put up, two or three times the
number of the Soviet Union were ahead scientifically. Its like that instrument you got
up at Stanford which is costing us a hundred and twenty-five million dollars and everybody
tells me that were the number one in the world. And what is it? I cant think what it is.
Interruption from multiple unknown speakers: The linear accelerator.
President Kennedy: Im sorry, thats wonderful, but nobody knows anything about it!
James Webb: Let me say it slightly different. The advanced Saturn is eighty-five times as
powerful as the Atlas. Now we are building a tremendous giant rocket with an index number
of eighty-five if you give me Atlas one. Now, the Russians have had a booster thatll lift
fourteen thousand pounds into orbit. Theyve been very efficient and capable in it. The
kinds of things Im talking about that give you preeminence in space are what permits you
to make either that Russian booster or the advanced Saturn better than any other. A range
of progress possible it is so much different [unknown].
President Kennedy: The only . Were not going to settle the four hundred million this
morning. I want to take a look closely at what Dave Bell . But I do think we ought get it,
you know, really clear that the policy ought to be that this is the top-priority program of
the Agency, and one of the two things, except for defense, the top priority of the United
States government. I think that that is the position we ought to take. Now, this may not
change anything about that schedule, but at least we ought to be clear, otherwise we
shouldnt be spending this kind of money because Im not that interested in space. I think
its good; I think we ought to know about it; were ready to spend reasonable amounts of
money. But were talking about these fantastic expenditures which wreck our budget and all
these other domestic programs and the only justification for it, in my opinion, to do it in
this time or fashion, is because we hope to beat them and demonstrate that starting behind,
as we did by a couple years, by God, we passed them.
http://history.nasa.gov/JFK-Webbconv/pages/transcript.pdf
The most justifiable reasons for a new Manhattan Project/Apollo Program in the present day? Mitigating climate change and developing fusion. Anything else is just more pointless dick-waving.
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Yeap. Too bad my ISP doesn't see it that way. They seem more interested in providing me with this.
madinmaryland
Mar 2014
#29
I remember that extremely well, I was part of the technology build up, the early days of
RKP5637
Mar 2014
#7
top leadership with no vision except for finding the corporate give away holy grail nt
msongs
Mar 2014
#22