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133. He was telling it to the Post, hence the audience was you, me and our Chinese equivalents.

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 07:30 PM

Apr 2014

Snowden seems to think that there's a need to inform the world that those who hack are hacked back... It seems to be a pet peeve of him, as evidenced by the whole Russian episode.

It's no coincidence that he started with the Tsinghua information last summer, as Tsinghua was much discussed as a perpetrator of cyberattacks against "US interests". It was a matter of setting the record straight, that it's a cat and mouse game rather than a tale of lions and lambs. Personally, I found the idea that this needed to be pointed out ridiculous, but the last year on DU - with multiple such threads as this one - has disabused me of that notion.

I find your logic quite amusing - the way you use "them" to mingle the press and government - following it would have the curious unintended consequence of revealing the fact that Snowden is actually sharing his info with the NSA when he talks to western media. Ponder that

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For The Record: Snowden Gave Classified US Intel to the Chinese. It is a fact. [View all] arely staircase Apr 2014 OP

Yes he did! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #1

Someone in another thread actually said this wasn't legit because it is arely staircase Apr 2014 #3

They're peddling really hard these days because Comrade Snowie's approval sucks here. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #41

Another Tail Gunner Joe fan I see. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #127

Comrade? elias7 Apr 2014 #131

Who the fuck knows what kind of state "The New Russia" is today? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #163

Snowden should love it in modern Russia. Libertarian paradise. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #200

Dumbest Thread Ever billhicks76 Apr 2014 #48

...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #72

I live in the Washington, DC area... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #112

Your defense of the indefensible is laughable. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #114

Reasonable people may disagree... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #118

Glad that you know some of the good guys. They are anecdotal though. Indefensible GoneFishin Apr 2014 #141

The activites of the NSA... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #144

Total nonsense. Been down that road. Agree to disagree. Good evening. nt GoneFishin Apr 2014 #154

Not According To Russ Tice billhicks76 Apr 2014 #126

The United States government... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #135

Was Just Speaking Hyperbolically To Make A Point billhicks76 Apr 2014 #138

Since you mentioned him twice... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #152

Right on the MONEY! BillZBubb Apr 2014 #113

Then again, some of them may be reACTIONary Apr 2014 #128

What a laugh. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #132

Sez you... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #143

Good Money In Defending NSA billhicks76 Apr 2014 #129

You may have a good point. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #134

New York Times and The New Yorker billhicks76 Apr 2014 #137

Good Report On Bill Moyers billhicks76 Apr 2014 #142

Are you implying something? nt jazzimov Apr 2014 #196

Not With You But Yes It Exists Here Too billhicks76 Apr 2014 #199

It wasn't until you piped up. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #162

I don't use pipes billhicks76 Apr 2014 #169

Well, because to about seven very loud DU'ers... Scootaloo Apr 2014 #179

Eddie also gave classified US intel to al qaeda.. Cha Apr 2014 #136

Hahaha billhicks76 Apr 2014 #168

So you just accused Cha of being a paid poster on DU? eom sheshe2 Apr 2014 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author oldhippie Apr 2014 #202

Snowden says he's defending the constitution... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #2

and he has boxes in his garage! arely staircase Apr 2014 #4

Yes, that and the Authoritareenz on DU are working for the Gubmint flamingdem Apr 2014 #102

Worse than the Gubmint... reACTIONary Apr 2014 #116

So you equate a right-wing newspaper with "the Chinese"? grasswire Apr 2014 #5

you have a good point arely staircase Apr 2014 #8

So the Chinese government people can't read the newspapers in their own country? pnwmom Apr 2014 #11

well it was in English arely staircase Apr 2014 #14

whooosh grasswire Apr 2014 #17

No,I got your point. Just thought it was very naive. n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #20

Funny how the word "naive" Aerows Apr 2014 #73

If there was a document Aerows Apr 2014 #33

But, of course. Beneficiaries of the military-industrial complex, fat from feasting closeupready Apr 2014 #49

It has gotten so ridiculous Aerows Apr 2014 #174

I just think they are wasting their time here. This is a small website, closeupready Apr 2014 #194

Since I have actually dedicated my time Aerows Apr 2014 #195

And who exactly did this revelation harm? truedelphi Apr 2014 #6

I take it from your comment you are privy to all NSA and CIA operations globally. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #7

I take it from yours Aerows Apr 2014 #34

You're DAMNED straight I cheerlead the NSA spying on other nations. THAT'S THEIR JOB! MohRokTah Apr 2014 #38

MohRokTah Aerows Apr 2014 #42

And now when left with no valid argument, you resort to ad hominems and baiting. eom MohRokTah Apr 2014 #43

Would you like a transparent bag or a tranparent box? n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #67

So you believe in a black and white world, like fundies? MohRokTah Apr 2014 #75

Please continue to profess Aerows Apr 2014 #77

And again, you resort to ad hominems and baiting. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #81

Nor fact-based argument. nt SunSeeker Apr 2014 #120

Or wit. Number23 Apr 2014 #171

Glad I missed that thread. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #186

Did you know that when our spy apparatus went full time in the years after WW2... DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #172

"Obama is the President of the United States Aerows Apr 2014 #177

No, it could harm actual US citizens treestar Apr 2014 #71

yeah I am sure the US was just looking at people's grades on the Chinese university server arely staircase Apr 2014 #10

It could easily have an effect on US-Chinese relations treestar Apr 2014 #68

DU rec...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #9

You lap dog you!! Peacetrain Apr 2014 #12

Thanks for the reminder. nt pnwmom Apr 2014 #13

For the Record...YOU got it wrong again. bvar22 Apr 2014 #15

lol arely staircase Apr 2014 #16

You dodged the point...You posted BOGUS claims. bvar22 Apr 2014 #18

you seem extremely confused about a point of law.... msanthrope Apr 2014 #24

Is the Washington Post writer a traitor? Otelo Apr 2014 #40

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Apr 2014 #99

uh ok arely staircase Apr 2014 #21

Did you READ the atricle YOU linked to, arley? bvar22 Apr 2014 #25

name's arely arely staircase Apr 2014 #27

Start saying Edward Snowden and maybe elias49 Apr 2014 #63

Annnnnd......There we have it. bvar22 Apr 2014 #76

actually your funniest pic is in post 25 nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #185

Don't waste your time with them. Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #46

Hmmm, considering you did not counter his points at all makes me think they are correct. nt Logical Apr 2014 #101

Your thread is now over despite the rolling on the floor smilie. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #155

what? arely staircase Apr 2014 #158

Your op has been debunked. :) nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #159

nope arely staircase Apr 2014 #160

Because the Chinese government doesn't read the newspaper? Your illogical msanthrope Apr 2014 #19

They have no less access to the Washington Post. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #197

Ok....to your first assertion, yes. It matters not to whom or how it is disseminated.... msanthrope Apr 2014 #198

No, reading the article Aerows Apr 2014 #36

Great analysis on the constitutionality of NSA programs Otelo Apr 2014 #22

oh yeah, prove it! Helen Borg Apr 2014 #23

well played nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #26

Actually he gave it to the American People. The other countries just read it too. on point Apr 2014 #28

hey I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to argue that for real nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #29

for the record... Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #30

I know, right arely staircase Apr 2014 #31

Or from Putin, either. Hekate Apr 2014 #35

I agree with your point about our intel community arely staircase Apr 2014 #58

That's "Snowden" with a capital "S" elias49 Apr 2014 #70

Seriously? (nt) Control-Z Apr 2014 #150

I like it with a lower case S. bravenak Apr 2014 #181

derp. Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #44

KnR Good luck. It's just barely possible that he is the most naive person who ever got entangled.... Hekate Apr 2014 #32

You're missing the whole damned point. And that's a fact. n/t DeSwiss Apr 2014 #37

I heard Snowden once went to the bathroom and DIDN'T WASH HIS HANDS!!! Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #39

and had boxes in his garage! arely staircase Apr 2014 #51

The Pulitzer voters have clearly ruffled some feathers around here. marmar Apr 2014 #45

this^ Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #47

Well, That Pulitzer certainly provoked a regular Two Minutes of HATE from the NSA protectors. bvar22 Apr 2014 #88

HE DIDNT WIN THE PULITZER!!!!1!!!111! DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #175

If i had not committed any crimes (like espionage or theft), I would never have left Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #50

If I thought I could get a legal trial Aerows Apr 2014 #52

Perhaps it would be best not to make the choice to commit crimes in which would Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #66

so? bowens43 Apr 2014 #53

Domestic US spying is still sleazy and uncalled for AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #54

The NSA, like the CIA, has always been incredibly corrupt, inept, and respects no laws at all Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #55

It just makes them angry Aerows Apr 2014 #60

True. Meantime, they're doing lots of harm. They've been doing harm since forever, and nobody Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #83

He revealed crimes and misconduct Aerows Apr 2014 #56

Telling The Chinese That They Are Being Attacked Is Not The Same As Collected Intelligence Information cantbeserious Apr 2014 #57

he told them how we spy on them arely staircase Apr 2014 #59

He Told The World How The USA Is Spying On All Countries - That Is Whistle Blowing cantbeserious Apr 2014 #61

no it isn't nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #62

Only In Your World - Most Of Us Are Grateful To Know How Corrupt The US Government Has Become cantbeserious Apr 2014 #64

do you disaprove of all US spying? arely staircase Apr 2014 #69

Many Disapprove What The NSA Has Become After 9/11 - Authorized By George Bush And Justified By John Yoo cantbeserious Apr 2014 #79

gotcha but what kind of spying should the US be doing? if any nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #82

You Gotcha Nothing cantbeserious Apr 2014 #87

so nothing. we should never spy on anyone ever arely staircase Apr 2014 #90

Ah The Rhetorical Putting Words In Others Mouths Approach cantbeserious Apr 2014 #95

I asked you what spying we should do and you wrote "nothing" arely staircase Apr 2014 #100

How Deep Down This NonSense Rabbit Hole Do You Want To Go - I Have Eternity - Do You cantbeserious Apr 2014 #104

what? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #105

Right - What? cantbeserious Apr 2014 #106

You spy on your neighbors? GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #164

no, but then I am not a nation state nor being spied on myself arely staircase Apr 2014 #167

What happens at that University that could have an effect on national security of the US treestar Apr 2014 #65

"Comrade Eddie" Hissyspit Apr 2014 #85

Meh, I think it's funny treestar Apr 2014 #94

Channeling McCarthy won't win you any arguments here. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #125

Don't worry about it treestar Apr 2014 #145

He did not go to China. He shared the files with the POST.One of the media Snowden shared info with Sunlei Apr 2014 #74

he didn't go to China? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #80

Kinda weird since everybody everywhere reported he went to China. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #92

Unrec for misleading headline. 840high Apr 2014 #78

George W. Bush gave the Chinese and the Russians one of our spy planes gratuitous Apr 2014 #84

Thanks for the Record of history, arely. They're getting sick of Cha Apr 2014 #86

It's amazing how bothered they are by that treestar Apr 2014 #96

For the record, Mi$$ RobMe and others of his ilk sold the Chinese our jobs. For profit. And of the jtuck004 Apr 2014 #89

He gave info to a newspaper. Like the Chinese don't already know their servers are being hacked. harun Apr 2014 #91

all old news huh? nothing to see here huh? arely staircase Apr 2014 #97

The 1950's called, they want their red scare name calling back. (n/t) harun Apr 2014 #170

the 40s called, they want Tokyo Rose back nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #184

The 1930's called, they want their whatever back. closeupready Apr 2014 #192

Good for him. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #93

It wasn't just a university creeksneakers2 Apr 2014 #110

What the... Let me shove a little reality to your myopic view...most people know by now what I do Drew Richards Apr 2014 #98

sounds like a place we should have been hacking arely staircase Apr 2014 #103

I see what you did there bravo!...i agree but then again they already knew we are fighting back so Drew Richards Apr 2014 #107

There is a difference between them knowing we are trying and knowing we are succeeding. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #108

You know the whole Cyber Command we built that everyone is upset about because the DIA has Drew Richards Apr 2014 #109

Again that would only be true if you pre-supposed they are stupid and dont know they have been Drew Richards Apr 2014 #111

well, regardless of which of us is right...and I will admitt you seem to know a lot more about arely staircase Apr 2014 #119

I totally understand how you feel...now let me blow your mind... Drew Richards Apr 2014 #123

I considered that in the early days. Could still be true. Unlikely, but now out of the question. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #124

No shit, Sherlock... Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #115

so what was the point of telling them about it? nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #122

He was telling it to the Post, hence the audience was you, me and our Chinese equivalents. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #133

Well if you tell the press you tell the Chinese government treestar Apr 2014 #146

Yes! Exactly!! Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #151

Whatever Comrade Snowden did... SoapBox Apr 2014 #117

So now it's the McCarthy-ite "Comrade" ad hominem BillZBubb Apr 2014 #121

Nyet comrade! We need no stinking McCarthy...we have the arts de politic of MAO-MAO Drew Richards Apr 2014 #130

This begs the question: which Mao? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #182

LOL OMG that was good...Grumpy kitty says there is only one MAO... Drew Richards Apr 2014 #183

As I read all these comments, one thing becomes clear WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #139

Sadly true... BillZBubb Apr 2014 #156

WTF are you on about? For The Record: Snowden Gave Classified US Intel to Newspaper Readers cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #140

He should have incorperated first, Then he would only be looking at a fine. Nobel_Twaddle_III Apr 2014 #147

+1 nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #149

My heart bleeds for the poor, beleaguered, NSA and CIA. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #148

I love how all these Edward Snowden hate threads elias49 Apr 2014 #153

It is certainly hard to understand the motivation of the Snowden attackers. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #157

because the only thing being discussed on DU arely staircase Apr 2014 #161

Emmanuel really is getting under your skin Fumesucker Apr 2014 #165

... arely staircase Apr 2014 #166

For the record Aerows Apr 2014 #173

Or... gcomeau Apr 2014 #176

In China Aerows Apr 2014 #178

HAIL HYDRA! whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #180

If that is your source Aerows Apr 2014 #187

my source is snowden arely staircase Apr 2014 #189

I have a question Aerows Apr 2014 #190

it is the name the agency gave me nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #193

K Cha Apr 2014 #188

At least he didn't give them our jobs. JEB Apr 2014 #191