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tblue37

(68,405 posts)
48. In our liberal college town island in a very red state (KS), the
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:51 PM
May 2014

high school prom (and other dances, including the Winter Formal) are just fun--for everyone, whether he ir she has a "date" or not. Many, even those with boyfriends or girlfriends, go with a group rather than as part of a couple.

My lovely daughter attended her prom with a bunch of her female friends, despite having received several date offers. Instead of hurting any boy's feelings, she went with her female friends and danced with all of the boys who asked her to. She had a blast, as did everyone else.

My son attended with 5 (yes, FIVE!) of his female friends, including one he had occasionally dated but had not gone out with at all since junior year, though he did hang out with her as a friend, just as he hung out with many other young women as friends. They all had a blast, too.

Our 2 high schools' proms are held together in the ballroom of the Kansas University Union building. They also do something that struck me as bizarre at the time, but which I look back on fondly now as a sweet, precious memory of my kids' youth, now that they are 32 and 34. Parents here are allowed to stand at the railings of the wide corridor that surrounds the ballroom and observe the prom from above!

I actually did that, along with my best friend. We stood there for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours during each of my kids' proms, watching not just my kids, but all of those kids having fun and looking so cute and proud all dressed up. Though they are "young adults" at that age, they are also still very young, very much kids, and getting all dressed up in fancy clothes and celebrating together at the end of their childhood and K-12 school career is a major rite of passage, and most are creating precious memories for future years.

When my friend and I decided to go to observe the prom, we did it as a lark, just because we found the idea so weird yet interesting. We also went partly to observe the other parents who were observing. We both have an anthropological fascination with human behavior and with how cultural features manifest themselves, so we intended our time there as something of a field trip "among the natives"--not to mock anything, but because the idea of parents standing above the prom as observers was something neither of us had ever heard of, and we were fascinated by how it would work in the real world.

I was astonished, though, to find myself wholly involved in observing the prom, not as an objective observer of human behavior or cultural patterns, but as a *parent* enjoying the sight of all those dear children (not just my own, but all of them--I *like* kids; I always have--good thing, since I teach undergrads!). My friend, who was only a few years older than the prom-goers at the time, also found the whole scene surprisingly charming and sweet.

I must admit, one if my favorite pics is the prom pic of my extremely handsome son, all dressed up with 4 of his 5 "dates," all of whom look absolutely adorable in their widely varied prom formals. He wasn't able to corral the fifth girl in time for the pic, since she was dancing with someone at the time, and the line for pictures was too long to risk losing their place to go looking for her when their turn came. She got a solo pic with another of her male friends, plus a copy if the "Michael + 4" pic for herself, though, so she didn't completely miss out on the picture fun.

One of his girl friends was quite chubby. In a traditional prom dating set up, she might well have been left at home in tears, instead of being part of a group that attracted a lot of attention and admiration from her peers at prom. She was just as cute as the other 4 girls, but often an overweight girl does not get asked to dances in high school, and certainly not usually by one of the boys considered especially cute and "dreamy," which my son always has been. But Michael is a Mama's boy (in a good way), so he has always really liked women and appreciated them as people, not just as "hubba-hubba" targets for his hormonal attentions.

In fact, one of the reasons he invited all of those girls to attend prom with him was to make sure that all of them would have someone to go with. He couldn't bear to think that any of his friends might be left out or feel awkward if she had no one to go to prom with. He is older than my daughter, so the practice of attending formals in groups rather than in couples was not as prominent during his high school years. (Hmmmm.....I wonder now whether his little stunt--i.e., showing up with 5 "dates"--might have had some influence on the fact that the practice was so common as to be entirely unremarkable by the time my daughter's prom came around.) Of course, a lot of kids do still go in couples, but there just is *no* awkwardness, no stigma at all if a person doesn't go to prom with a date.

Anyway, because our high schools' proms are not set up in a way that leads to exclusion of kids who can't get dates, that means *all* the kids can look forward to prom and have a great time when they get there. Oh, and BTW, many years ago a group of mothers got together to make sure a nice selection of loaner prom dresses in various styles and sizes would be available for any girl whose budget would not allow her to purchase an expensive formal for just one dance. Prom in our city is simply *not* a vehicle for embarrassing or excluding the kinds of kids who were so often ostracized in earlier times.

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The odds are pretty good that it will; that's human nature. el_bryanto May 2014 #1
"One person posts in opposition and starts an argument that lasts three days" lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #5
You ain't wrong. Iggo May 2014 #10
Is someone forcing the girls to participate? B2G May 2014 #2
Is someone allowing them to do the drafting, or did I miss that part? LanternWaste May 2014 #3
Apparently, the girls weren't consulted at all Warpy May 2014 #51
Yes. Is there any indication that girls have a choice about being included in the draft? No. pnwmom May 2014 #52
i like cjeekdgg CreekDog May 2014 #69
That's also an argument in favor of school prayer Capt. Obvious May 2014 #71
Except this isn't being done in school. nt B2G May 2014 #92
the prom is a school sponsored activity CreekDog May 2014 #100
So did those girls feel trapped into participating? How about the boys? The Straight Story May 2014 #4
Of course many of them did. They weren't asked if they wanted to be ranked. pnwmom May 2014 #53
How do the girls Dorian Gray May 2014 #67
From what I have seen they agree to be a part of it The Straight Story May 2014 #68
and they aren't adults CreekDog May 2014 #70
Some would say the same about sex and abortion when it comes to teens The Straight Story May 2014 #76
this is all part of the main reason you're here CreekDog May 2014 #78
So you respect some choices but want to control others The Straight Story May 2014 #80
Oh good gawd... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #82
My right to control my BODY has nothing to do with your VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #83
It's not principled to believe in an "anything goes" world. alp227 May 2014 #99
Why are you always bringing up gun? Not in the OP. Eleanors38 May 2014 #96
The results... one_voice May 2014 #127
Interesting. Seems like someone couldn't discuss the issue and used an alert instead The Straight Story May 2014 #130
Not really much can be done. BKH70041 May 2014 #6
The Principal does have a platform el_bryanto May 2014 #7
Yes, there is that. BKH70041 May 2014 #11
and as the Principal said....school activities can be canceled.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #84
Ban proms all together 1000words May 2014 #8
Really? Shut down all proms because of one isolated incident? alp227 May 2014 #125
I wonder how many young women are raped on Prom night ... 1000words May 2014 #126
Then EDUCATE, don't prohibit. alp227 May 2014 #128
Are the girls being forced to attend "Prom"? Are the boys being forced to run the stupid draft? NYC_SKP May 2014 #9
I don't get it. Waiting For Everyman May 2014 #12
This ^^^^^^^ treestar May 2014 #17
In our liberal college town island in a very red state (KS), the tblue37 May 2014 #48
So very nice treestar May 2014 #50
Thanks. I rather like them myself! nt tblue37 May 2014 #54
great story and great post CreekDog May 2014 #72
If I know teenaged boys, I'd say the "draft" has nothing to do with popularity Blue_Tires May 2014 #118
Sorry, I just can't be bothered to care. linuxman May 2014 #13
I agree.. sendero May 2014 #38
Girls have a draft system related to how long a boy's penis is? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #86
and when the girls start ranking boys by the length of their penii? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #85
Are you being serious? linuxman May 2014 #102
but girls breasts are....and how much you want to bet THEY are part of the criteria? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #103
Again, linuxman May 2014 #104
Again you say tolerate it.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #105
How do you propose to stop teens from judging each other in ANY regard? linuxman May 2014 #106
How? I'm not a Libertarian....how to we enforce any rules in this society? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #107
Congratulations? linuxman May 2014 #108
I'll answer for ya... alp227 May 2014 #113
Great plan. linuxman May 2014 #115
You've sure posted in the thread enough times. redqueen May 2014 #117
Reading is fundamental. linuxman May 2014 #120
LOL, you're a hoot. If you bothered to read you'd not be putting on this redqueen May 2014 #122
"Simply explain to the kids that judging people is wrong." alp227 May 2014 #119
Nobody gives a shit what the little knuckle draggers talk about. They were making lists, redqueen May 2014 #109
Illegal activity you say?!?! linuxman May 2014 #110
LOL. nt redqueen May 2014 #111
It's not about fixing a problem, .... oldhippie May 2014 #114
I'm beginning to see that. linuxman May 2014 #121
so what if "all of life is one big draft after another"? alp227 May 2014 #112
It's a good idea, but the school administration needs to run it FarCenter May 2014 #14
is it sexual preference? CreekDog May 2014 #16
They might be able to adapt the algorithm used to match med students to residencies FarCenter May 2014 #22
you used the term "sexual preference", are you saying it's a choice? CreekDog May 2014 #29
I meant that the algorithm would have to include matches between various genders FarCenter May 2014 #37
if not for your posting history, i might not have challenged you CreekDog May 2014 #62
The acquiescence to and acceptance of the objectification of women on this site is pitiful. redqueen May 2014 #15
Not sure what you are trying to say The Straight Story May 2014 #18
Are you under the impression that the girls being ranked signed up for this list? redqueen May 2014 #20
From the article The Straight Story May 2014 #21
So, because one girl thinks it is fun, we should just approve of objectification? redqueen May 2014 #23
Video of one: The Straight Story May 2014 #25
I'm sure way more than a few women think sexual objectification is awesome. redqueen May 2014 #26
Maybe some women just see things different in life The Straight Story May 2014 #30
and just maybe some girls going to prom are too young to understand objectification... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #87
Did you see the video, they also use the draft for who gets to pick tuxedos. dilby May 2014 #32
So you're telling me girls aren't ranked unless they sign up to be ranked? redqueen May 2014 #33
Yeah, if you watch the video you will see that. dilby May 2014 #36
See what? All the girls involved being asked if they want to be ranked? nt redqueen May 2014 #39
The draft is voluntary, guys and girls volunteer to participate in it. dilby May 2014 #40
Your interpretation of that video does not line up with some of the reporting. nt redqueen May 2014 #42
the video is 7 years old CreekDog May 2014 #73
Some girls doing a prom draft, calling boys too dumb to make decisions The Straight Story May 2014 #28
Why would it make a difference whether they signed up or not? oldhippie May 2014 #27
Oh My Goddess. redqueen May 2014 #31
Ok, don't bother to answer ...... oldhippie May 2014 #35
are you threatening her? CreekDog May 2014 #75
Careful, you might hurt your back ... oldhippie May 2014 #93
Yeah, how else would they know they were grade AA filet mignon instead of bargain chuck? Warpy May 2014 #56
People choose to participate in DU. Students are required by law to attend high school. pnwmom May 2014 #57
oh, what list is she on? CreekDog May 2014 #74
You know, it's possible .... oldhippie May 2014 #95
No, don't run away from what you said, you said she was on a list CreekDog May 2014 #123
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #124
There, CreekDog. Are you happy now? Do you get it? redqueen May 2014 #129
You're not trying very hard. The girls don't have a chance to opt out of the ranking. pnwmom May 2014 #55
Just going by what the article says: The Straight Story May 2014 #58
Fail. "I am part of the draft" doesn't mean she consented CreekDog May 2014 #77
Libertarians...pffffffttttttt!! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #88
Whether there is a "prom draft" or not, girls are "ranked" in HS. blueamy66 May 2014 #94
Ya got that right. Iggo May 2014 #19
Wow. I see the complaints of women on this site about guys being jerks and sexists. HERVEPA May 2014 #41
Thanks for saying something. redqueen May 2014 #43
You're welcome. HERVEPA May 2014 #44
It is a small minority. Starry Messenger May 2014 #46
And mind numbingly silly. Squinch May 2014 #61
This is mild. And you are absolutely correct. If it weren't labeled DU, you'd swear you Squinch May 2014 #60
I agree with the principal. Jenoch May 2014 #24
I agree with the principal Marrah_G May 2014 #34
if the girls Niceguy1 May 2014 #45
they weren't given any choice TorchTheWitch May 2014 #81
interviews with girls from the school Niceguy1 May 2014 #91
Reminds me that high school sucked MosheFeingold May 2014 #47
Yet I notice no women't issues deemed "important things" on your list.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #89
Really? MosheFeingold May 2014 #116
Funny, my mom works in Corona del Mar. minivan2 May 2014 #49
Well...part of me can understand the problem many would have with this davidn3600 May 2014 #59
you know instead of equivocating and rationalizing about this CreekDog May 2014 #64
Im not saying it's right. I said it just seems like a stupid thing that some kids are doing davidn3600 May 2014 #65
If they were ranked by penis size you would have an issue with it I am sure... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #90
this is bullying taken to a freaking extreme. alp227 May 2014 #63
This A class fucking rude and creepy... Jasana May 2014 #66
Never liked the whole idea of Proms HockeyMom May 2014 #79
Prom "traditions" & politics made me nauseous..I didn't go. LeftinOH May 2014 #97
Hell, girls, start your own damn draft. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #98
I live in Orange County currently. DEMTough May 2014 #101
Lots of BS on this thread. GoneOffShore May 2014 #131
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