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TorchTheWitch

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81. they weren't given any choice

Thu May 8, 2014, 07:58 AM

May 2014

Their opinions were irrelevant. They were never asked to participate, the boys went ahead and did this WITHOUT their consent or even their knowledge.

I really don't understand how so many men here of all places don't see that men/boys ranking women/girls according to their own wet dream "hotness" code is fucking creepy and objectifying. Believe it or not those women/girls don't want to know about all the men/boys around them that want to get into their pants nor to they want to feel humiliated by their idea of not measuring up.

Is it REALLY too much to ask that women/girls be treated like people and not as mere sexual objects to be ranked according to whether or not they're considered "worthy" of the sexual desires of those men/boys?

This is really no different than the girls in the class having to walk by the boys that have 1 - 10 ranking cards and holding up whatever number they decide most closely relates to their own idea of whether or not each of those girls are "worthy" of their sexual attention. Any girls that actually do find that as empowering are the ones that have already been so objectified already they can't even recognize they're being treated as a sex object rather than a person. Sadly, I see a million times more of that with the young girls of today than when I was that age.

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California school cracks down on 'prom draft' [View all] CreekDog May 2014 OP

The odds are pretty good that it will; that's human nature. el_bryanto May 2014 #1

"One person posts in opposition and starts an argument that lasts three days" lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #5

You ain't wrong. Iggo May 2014 #10

Is someone forcing the girls to participate? B2G May 2014 #2

Is someone allowing them to do the drafting, or did I miss that part? LanternWaste May 2014 #3

Apparently, the girls weren't consulted at all Warpy May 2014 #51

Yes. Is there any indication that girls have a choice about being included in the draft? No. pnwmom May 2014 #52

i like cjeekdgg CreekDog May 2014 #69

That's also an argument in favor of school prayer Capt. Obvious May 2014 #71

Except this isn't being done in school. nt B2G May 2014 #92

the prom is a school sponsored activity CreekDog May 2014 #100

So did those girls feel trapped into participating? How about the boys? The Straight Story May 2014 #4

Of course many of them did. They weren't asked if they wanted to be ranked. pnwmom May 2014 #53

How do the girls Dorian Gray May 2014 #67

From what I have seen they agree to be a part of it The Straight Story May 2014 #68

and they aren't adults CreekDog May 2014 #70

Some would say the same about sex and abortion when it comes to teens The Straight Story May 2014 #76

this is all part of the main reason you're here CreekDog May 2014 #78

So you respect some choices but want to control others The Straight Story May 2014 #80

Oh good gawd... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #82

My right to control my BODY has nothing to do with your VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #83

It's not principled to believe in an "anything goes" world. alp227 May 2014 #99

Why are you always bringing up gun? Not in the OP. Eleanors38 May 2014 #96

The results... one_voice May 2014 #127

Interesting. Seems like someone couldn't discuss the issue and used an alert instead The Straight Story May 2014 #130

Not really much can be done. BKH70041 May 2014 #6

The Principal does have a platform el_bryanto May 2014 #7

Yes, there is that. BKH70041 May 2014 #11

and as the Principal said....school activities can be canceled.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #84

Ban proms all together 1000words May 2014 #8

Really? Shut down all proms because of one isolated incident? alp227 May 2014 #125

I wonder how many young women are raped on Prom night ... 1000words May 2014 #126

Then EDUCATE, don't prohibit. alp227 May 2014 #128

Are the girls being forced to attend "Prom"? Are the boys being forced to run the stupid draft? NYC_SKP May 2014 #9

I don't get it. Waiting For Everyman May 2014 #12

This ^^^^^^^ treestar May 2014 #17

In our liberal college town island in a very red state (KS), the tblue37 May 2014 #48

So very nice treestar May 2014 #50

Thanks. I rather like them myself! nt tblue37 May 2014 #54

great story and great post CreekDog May 2014 #72

If I know teenaged boys, I'd say the "draft" has nothing to do with popularity Blue_Tires May 2014 #118

Sorry, I just can't be bothered to care. linuxman May 2014 #13

I agree.. sendero May 2014 #38

Girls have a draft system related to how long a boy's penis is? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #86

and when the girls start ranking boys by the length of their penii? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #85

Are you being serious? linuxman May 2014 #102

but girls breasts are....and how much you want to bet THEY are part of the criteria? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #103

Again, linuxman May 2014 #104

Again you say tolerate it.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #105

How do you propose to stop teens from judging each other in ANY regard? linuxman May 2014 #106

How? I'm not a Libertarian....how to we enforce any rules in this society? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #107

Congratulations? linuxman May 2014 #108

I'll answer for ya... alp227 May 2014 #113

Great plan. linuxman May 2014 #115

You've sure posted in the thread enough times. redqueen May 2014 #117

Reading is fundamental. linuxman May 2014 #120

LOL, you're a hoot. If you bothered to read you'd not be putting on this redqueen May 2014 #122

"Simply explain to the kids that judging people is wrong." alp227 May 2014 #119

Nobody gives a shit what the little knuckle draggers talk about. They were making lists, redqueen May 2014 #109

Illegal activity you say?!?! linuxman May 2014 #110

LOL. nt redqueen May 2014 #111

It's not about fixing a problem, .... oldhippie May 2014 #114

I'm beginning to see that. linuxman May 2014 #121

so what if "all of life is one big draft after another"? alp227 May 2014 #112

It's a good idea, but the school administration needs to run it FarCenter May 2014 #14

is it sexual preference? CreekDog May 2014 #16

They might be able to adapt the algorithm used to match med students to residencies FarCenter May 2014 #22

you used the term "sexual preference", are you saying it's a choice? CreekDog May 2014 #29

I meant that the algorithm would have to include matches between various genders FarCenter May 2014 #37

if not for your posting history, i might not have challenged you CreekDog May 2014 #62

The acquiescence to and acceptance of the objectification of women on this site is pitiful. redqueen May 2014 #15

Not sure what you are trying to say The Straight Story May 2014 #18

Are you under the impression that the girls being ranked signed up for this list? redqueen May 2014 #20

From the article The Straight Story May 2014 #21

So, because one girl thinks it is fun, we should just approve of objectification? redqueen May 2014 #23

Video of one: The Straight Story May 2014 #25

I'm sure way more than a few women think sexual objectification is awesome. redqueen May 2014 #26

Maybe some women just see things different in life The Straight Story May 2014 #30

and just maybe some girls going to prom are too young to understand objectification... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #87

Did you see the video, they also use the draft for who gets to pick tuxedos. dilby May 2014 #32

So you're telling me girls aren't ranked unless they sign up to be ranked? redqueen May 2014 #33

Yeah, if you watch the video you will see that. dilby May 2014 #36

See what? All the girls involved being asked if they want to be ranked? nt redqueen May 2014 #39

The draft is voluntary, guys and girls volunteer to participate in it. dilby May 2014 #40

Your interpretation of that video does not line up with some of the reporting. nt redqueen May 2014 #42

the video is 7 years old CreekDog May 2014 #73

Some girls doing a prom draft, calling boys too dumb to make decisions The Straight Story May 2014 #28

Why would it make a difference whether they signed up or not? oldhippie May 2014 #27

Oh My Goddess. redqueen May 2014 #31

Ok, don't bother to answer ...... oldhippie May 2014 #35

are you threatening her? CreekDog May 2014 #75

Careful, you might hurt your back ... oldhippie May 2014 #93

Yeah, how else would they know they were grade AA filet mignon instead of bargain chuck? Warpy May 2014 #56

People choose to participate in DU. Students are required by law to attend high school. pnwmom May 2014 #57

oh, what list is she on? CreekDog May 2014 #74

You know, it's possible .... oldhippie May 2014 #95

No, don't run away from what you said, you said she was on a list CreekDog May 2014 #123

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #124

There, CreekDog. Are you happy now? Do you get it? redqueen May 2014 #129

You're not trying very hard. The girls don't have a chance to opt out of the ranking. pnwmom May 2014 #55

Just going by what the article says: The Straight Story May 2014 #58

Fail. "I am part of the draft" doesn't mean she consented CreekDog May 2014 #77

Libertarians...pffffffttttttt!! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #88

Whether there is a "prom draft" or not, girls are "ranked" in HS. blueamy66 May 2014 #94

Ya got that right. Iggo May 2014 #19

Wow. I see the complaints of women on this site about guys being jerks and sexists. HERVEPA May 2014 #41

Thanks for saying something. redqueen May 2014 #43

You're welcome. HERVEPA May 2014 #44

It is a small minority. Starry Messenger May 2014 #46

And mind numbingly silly. Squinch May 2014 #61

This is mild. And you are absolutely correct. If it weren't labeled DU, you'd swear you Squinch May 2014 #60

I agree with the principal. Jenoch May 2014 #24

I agree with the principal Marrah_G May 2014 #34

if the girls Niceguy1 May 2014 #45

they weren't given any choice TorchTheWitch May 2014 #81

interviews with girls from the school Niceguy1 May 2014 #91

Reminds me that high school sucked MosheFeingold May 2014 #47

Yet I notice no women't issues deemed "important things" on your list.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #89

Really? MosheFeingold May 2014 #116

Funny, my mom works in Corona del Mar. minivan2 May 2014 #49

Well...part of me can understand the problem many would have with this davidn3600 May 2014 #59

you know instead of equivocating and rationalizing about this CreekDog May 2014 #64

Im not saying it's right. I said it just seems like a stupid thing that some kids are doing davidn3600 May 2014 #65

If they were ranked by penis size you would have an issue with it I am sure... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #90

this is bullying taken to a freaking extreme. alp227 May 2014 #63

This A class fucking rude and creepy... Jasana May 2014 #66

Never liked the whole idea of Proms HockeyMom May 2014 #79

Prom "traditions" & politics made me nauseous..I didn't go. LeftinOH May 2014 #97

Hell, girls, start your own damn draft. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #98

I live in Orange County currently. DEMTough May 2014 #101

Lots of BS on this thread. GoneOffShore May 2014 #131