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Savannahmann

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33. Let's say that they are.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jul 2014

Just for the sake of argument, let's say they are a threat to police. So now, all drug users that they search for are gang color wearing homicidal maniacs? Seriously? That's your argument?

The bad guy wasn't even there. http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/

But the baby got in the way, and that's just the sort of thing you have to do as a cop. Oh, no drugs, no bad guy, nothing but wounded innocents.

Kathryn Johnston. A little old lady who lived in one of those neighborhoods, thought that the banging on her door in the wee hours of the morning was gang members busing in to rob or murder her. Instead it was the cops. She had no drugs,

So we're talking Officer Safety. How many cops died in the line of duty last year? 30 died from gunfire in 2013.

How many were killed by police? 46 people died at the hands of police in January 2013. I didn't have the stomach to count the other months, perhaps you could help. Was January a good month, or bad month for people killed by police? Did the over or under win on the bets?

So in one month of the year, more people died by police, than police officers died from gunfire all year. So far, it looks a lot safer to be a cop, than a civilian who deals with cops.

A grand total of 105 cops died in the line in 2013, More than 40 died in automobile related incidents including pursuits, automobile accidents, struck by vehicle, and assault with a vehicle. Yet for some reason they don't wear bright colors like the rest of the people who work around the roads. Why not wear a safety vest and oh I don't know, perhaps we could come up with some sort of restraint that would hold the occupant of the vehicle in the seat. I see cops all the time, and never see one of them wearing a seat belt. Despite the fact that they are more likely to die in a vehicle related incident, they all want to wear black and look bad instead of bright colors where the driver of a car might see and avoid them while driving down the road.

OSHA requires that people who work alongside roads wear bright safety vests and all that. Cops, not so much, it might make them easier to see, or something.

So what have we established as fact? It is far safer to be a cop than a civilian who deals with the police. The police are more likely to die by automobile related incidents instead of gunfire, but still won't wear their seat belts. Now, are there any other questions or excuses about how tough it is to be a civilian who deals with a cop?

No Knock SWAT Raids [View all] Michigander_Life Jul 2014 OP
no knocks prevent evidence from being destroyed. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #1
That's a hoot damnedifIknow Jul 2014 #2
Did the Dumb Ass Cops Try turning off the WATER First FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #3
even when you turn off the wager you still one flush. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #11
Cops who raided my brothers house were a laugh riot. ieoeja Jul 2014 #28
Not surprised that got hidden. ieoeja Jul 2014 #32
Just a little angry? I'm sure there is more to your story. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #56
You're sure of nothing. IronGate Jul 2014 #61
Of course there is more. ieoeja Jul 2014 #62
Yep, there was more to the story. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #63
Dismissive are we. Is that how you treat citizens? Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #66
not dismissive, just after 20 yrs you learn there is alway more to the story then is orginal stated SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #67
"Generally?" Brigid Jul 2014 #5
Careful! Orrex Jul 2014 #14
"for real" yes w/20 years experience. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #48
You never heard of cops going to the wrong address? Brigid Jul 2014 #49
And I have 20+ years dealing with asshole cops IronGate Jul 2014 #53
From the tone of your post I can see why! SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #55
No, you don't see why. IronGate Jul 2014 #58
Again I can see you have other issues that have nothing to do with law enforement. SCUBANOW Jul 2014 #64
Again, you see nothing Carnac. IronGate Jul 2014 #65
So what. Are a few low level drug busts worth the cost Taitertots Jul 2014 #7
Why the fuck is SWAT raiding a low level drug house? NightWatcher Jul 2014 #9
... Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #21
if these guys like machine guns and tanks, enlist NightWatcher Jul 2014 #29
You don't mind risking getting your head blown off over a few bags of dope? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #10
Gee, I don't know why I don't buy that nonsense. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #12
THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THEY GET TEH DRUGS Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #15
I hear some of those pot smoking drug kingpins have REALLY big toilets Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #16
Maybe our tax dollars have better things to do than send SWAT teams to arrest pot smokers Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #13
If the stash is so small that it can vanish in one flush, you screwed up as LEO. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #17
I imagine there are a lot of things you can justify. Throd Jul 2014 #18
??? IronGate Jul 2014 #19
Most have literally no skills LordGlenconner Jul 2014 #23
jury results geek tragedy Jul 2014 #24
Somebody alerted on my first hand experience with cops? IronGate Jul 2014 #25
1-6 is a pretty decisive verdict. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #26
Yea, pretty useless alert... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2014 #30
Yes it was, IronGate Jul 2014 #31
I don't believe there is a cop alive above rookie grade that does't know deep ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2014 #34
That is exactly what I was going to comment on regarding Juror #3. ieoeja Jul 2014 #35
DU has become an authoritarian badge sniffer's paradise MindPilot Jul 2014 #43
no doubt Niceguy1 Jul 2014 #59
Flushable toilets trump the 4th amendment every time. arcane1 Jul 2014 #36
whoop-de-fucking-doo.. frylock Jul 2014 #38
Check your regulator, SCUBANOW. Aristus Jul 2014 #40
. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #42
Pretty soon most "Dope" will be legal SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #46
So they can flush all evidence if you give them 30 seconds to open the door before you bust it in? killbotfactory Jul 2014 #51
Is that worth someone's life? Especially a child? NO! ecstatic Jul 2014 #54
And it's so hard to place a trap at the public end of the sewer? politicat Jul 2014 #57
Cool story bro! morningfog Jul 2014 #60
I had to laugh at Conservative's outrage over the Branch Dividian raid. ieoeja Jul 2014 #4
It was not just conservatives upset about that raid. PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #8
Agreed. arcane1 Jul 2014 #37
A supposed special "exception" that has become the rule. DirkGently Jul 2014 #20
No Knock SWAT raids on $25 poker and Frat partys plus moree Ichingcarpenter Jul 2014 #22
but they could've flushed the cards down the toilet derp!12 frylock Jul 2014 #39
So, the local gang members who run drugs rustydog Jul 2014 #27
Let's say that they are. Savannahmann Jul 2014 #33
Is a no knock raid the answer in such a case? Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #41
I guess it's okay, so long as they are "gang-members" and you only terrorize "urban" communities. nt killbotfactory Jul 2014 #52
Ammosexuals are everywhere ... GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #44
End the stupid and utterly failed drug war and 99.9% of the danger evaporates. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #45
Did you miss this? Michigander_Life Jul 2014 #47
Nope, nor did I miss that abuse is far more likely than the sales pitch TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #50
K&R woo me with science Jul 2014 #68
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